dead_soft
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This is a staggering post on many levels but ‘I'm not a footballer because I'm not very good, not because I'm white for example’ might be my favourite bit.
English FA to adopt the "Rooney Rule"
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This is a staggering post on many levels but ‘I'm not a footballer because I'm not very good, not because I'm white for example’ might be my favourite bit.
what part don't you understand?
The part where I say i think people should be judged on their ability not skin colour?
The part where i mention about not being a footballer relates to me not having the talent, hence me not having the job thought that was pretty self explanatory. It's goes hand in hand with the small selection of managers i mentioned, aiming to prove that the reason 3 out of the 4 arent employed has more to do with their ability to manage when given teh chance rather than their skin colour.
I appreciate that my posts can be taken the wrong way and twisted to suit whatever interpretations people have.
I just think that in these modern times we shouldn't have to worry about the colour of a persons skin, or their religious beliefs, sexual preferences etc affecting their job prospects.....
dead_soft
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I understand fully your post.
It’d be great if in these modern times we shouldn’t have to worry about any prejudice but we do because it keeps happening. We should strive to stop it happening but it is still happening. One small way we could help is to stop mentioning that the 3 or 4 black managers who have been given jobs weren’t good enough. This should have no basis on whether black managers are hired overall
flibbyflob
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So we can interview Howard from those Halifax adverts then as he stands as much chance of getting the job as Paul Ince.
upthetoffees
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Seems like a really long way of going around an "equal opportunity" system. I suppose that's harder to implement though with high-profile people like football managers.
Should just be the best person, regardless of any other factors. If we're giving people interviews due to arbitrary rules, then isn't that giving them false hope?
In my experience, positive discrimination can often create more problems for the person in question, again regardless of race/colour etc, especially if they aren't up to the job.
This could be seen as a patronising pat on the head for minorities.
In my experience, positive discrimination can often create more problems for the person in question, again regardless of race/colour etc, especially if they aren't up to the job.
This could be seen as a patronising pat on the head for minorities.
It's a degrading rule if anything. Makes people feel they are being considered for quotas not for ability, even when that's clearly not the case.
Best person for the job regardless of race, religion, background or whatever. Bringing race into the equation in the first place is completely counter productive. To suggest anything else is politically correct nonsense.
Best person for the job regardless of race, religion, background or whatever. Bringing race into the equation in the first place is completely counter productive. To suggest anything else is politically correct nonsense.
I'd support quotas to limit the number of middle aged English managers being reappointed in more top flight jobs, even after multiple dismissals. Especially gravy drinking, footballing dinosaur, disgraced ex England managers.
dead_soft
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They are being given interviews, not jobs. The Rooney Rule is an attempt to overcome what Gordon Taylor called a hidden resistance to hiring black managers. If black managers are not considered for jobs they cannot get them, this is an attempt to overcome that. No one is getting a job because of their skin colour, they are being put into the conversation about vacant jobs to try and overcome a history of clear and inherent racism. If they get the job it is because they are the hiring team thinks they are the best for the job
dead_soft
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There is no hiring quota at all and no one is suggesting bringing one in.
You mean the people that have decided to bring in this rule?
Under duress?
I agree that in an ideal world race wouldn't play a part in who you select as manager and should be based purely on ability and experience but in the real world it doesn't work like that. Look at how many coaches from black or ethnic minorities are currently working in the top 4 divisions. As of 30th November 2017 (based on the link below) only 22 of the 482 coaching jobs are held by BAME coaches. Based on that, how are young BAME coaches supposed to get the experience to show their ability when they currently have less than 5% of the jobs?
On top of that you get the likes of Ryan Giggs who have the same qualifications but get linked with jobs based on their playing career, not their experience as a coach or manager.
Here's that link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42178440
On top of that you get the likes of Ryan Giggs who have the same qualifications but get linked with jobs based on their playing career, not their experience as a coach or manager.
Here's that link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42178440
The binman chronicles
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In my book you are more likely to get a job where you actually played for that team, it could be that there aren't many aspiring black managers that want to do the job or be an assistant/other role for a lower league club they have played for. Chris Hughton is a wonderful example of how to build a coaching career. Would he get the top job at a top 6 club? Possibly not, but can't see any white english men getting it either.
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