Nope you've misunderstood completely.
Ince himself has tried to play the race card saying he's not employed/offered as many jobs because he's black.
What I'm pointing out is that of the only ones who I can think of that have had the opportunity the majority have not been successful. The reason they aren't employed is because their history shows they aren't very good at their jobs, nothing to do with the fact their black.
What I'd like to see is how many black men/women actually apply for positions, take their badges etc apply for the less glamorous roles and do the job without crying to the media to get a job. I'd be interested to see how proportionate the rate is then.
Basically I'm trying to say the only reason I can see is that there aren't as many applications and the ones who have haven't been very good, hence why they're aren't as many employed.
I'm not a footballer because I'm not very good, not because I'm white for example.
Apologies if I've not explained it well but hopefully you've got the point I'm trying to make
I know Ince has said that.
So out of the very small set of data you have to work with regarding the success of black managers previously you feel comfortable making the assumption that this applies to all?
The reason they aren't employed is because their history shows they aren't very good at their jobs, nothing to do with the fact their black.
This isn't about them being
hired. This is about them being given an equal opportunity to be considered. When you're talking about "they" you're making the mistake of thinking this is limited to the 4 black managers
that you're aware of.
Do you not think the reason you can only name 4 is because more of them aren't given the opportunity to prove themselves? That's what this is about, not about the 4 lads you've named who are higher up the football pyramid. There's an argument to be made that those 4 are not as successful as they could have been because they
may have been denied the opportunity to develop their management skills at a higher level because of their skin colour. I don't know how we could ever know for sure who actually
has been denied opportunities because of their skin colour unless someone who denied them those opportunities states that is the reason they did it, and that's not exactly going to happen so all we can do is speculate on the set of facts we have.
But regardless of ALL of that, this is still only related to the ENGLAND MANAGER'S JOB. It isn't being made into a law, or affecting the leagues.
Do you not think that black people would have trouble picturing themselves as successful in a football management career given the overwhelming disparity between the demographics of the players and those of the managers?
What I'd like to see is how many black men/women actually apply for positions, take their badges etc apply for the less glamorous roles and do the job without crying to the media to get a job. I'd be interested to see how proportionate the rate is then.
I'd say this is probably where the biggest problem exists, in those little Brexit towns full of the type of yobs who would actually treat someone differently because of their skin colour.
Beyond that I'd say there is an overarching problem of football being an old boys game through and through and that probably
also contributes to the lack of representation of people of colour in football management as they're less likely to have the long-term connections to people established in the industry. It isn't a coincidence that the four managers you named all happen to be ex-pros as well.
When they see the lack of representation that exists within the football pyramid I wouldn't be surprised if they thought the idea of being a football manager is as far off as the idea of them being a CEO.
