Elstone refusing to allow shareholders who are also Blue Union members into meetings

[Stend]

I might be wrong but didn't united only start negotiations because Newcastle offered us 24m upfront. I'm sure we could have gotten more upfront.

I dont care what anybody else says. Everton recieving bids of £27m was unheard of. It was fantastic business for us selling a youth player for that sort of money. Could we have held out for more?..... possibly, but don't forget Rooney was still a very very young lad. It was a punt for United. Although not a massive one. I'd like someone who disagrees to list 18 year old players who've been sold for more than that! There won't be many especially around the time Rooney moved to United.

We are currently operating within our means. Just. We bring players in sell them for profit and reinvest in the squad. That makes great business sense. However there are teams in the league who are toys, they aren't businesses. Without their mega-billionaires they couldn't operate the way they are.

We all want better. But unfortunately at present we need a new stadium, which is the key to making us an "attractive" purchase.

 

[Jacko93]

They're not that fantastically run, when their reluctance to spend in the transfer market will cost them £20m+ next season when/if they fail to qualify for the CL.

Spurs are a far better example of a well-run club that invests in its' playing staff at the appropriate times to support the manager and kick the team on to the next level.

But the best player at Spurs currently is Bale who came through as a young man who signed a new deal that could be financed due to high earners moving on, such as Pavlyuchenko, Crouch, Palacios and Woodgate...............

No doubt the £8m salary that he is reportedly being offered now is possible due, in part, to the sale of Modric

Which would suggest that they are being more successful due to the players they sell/move on over any players they have bought in January.

 

[Carlito]

I dont care what anybody else says. Everton recieving bids of £27m was unheard of. It was fantastic business for us selling a youth player for that sort of money. Could we have held out for more?..... possibly, but don't forget Rooney was still a very very young lad. It was a punt for United. Although not a massive one. I'd like someone who disagrees to lost 18 year old players who've been sold fir more than that! There won't be many especially around the time Rooney moved to United.

An eighteen year old being comfortably England's best player and the standout performer at a European Championship featuring Zidane, Figo, Del Piero, Henry and Nedved is also unheard of. Considering transfers between clubs in the same league generally come with an added premium, I don't think you could say Everton did 'fantastic business'.

 

[Stend]

An eighteen year old being comfortably England's best player and the standout performer at a European Championship featuring Zidane, Figo, Del Piero, Henry and Nedved is also unheard of. Considering transfers between clubs in the same league generally come with an added premium, I don't think you could say Everton did 'fantastic business'.

£27m in 2004 for an 18 year old is absolutely fantastic business.

Go on list other 18 year olds, infact teenagers who have been sold for more.... Or even close..... What was our previous biggest fee ever recieved for a player....

 

[dannyboy]

£27m in 2004 for an 18 year old is absolutely fantastic business.

Go on list other 18 year olds, infact teenagers who have been sold for more.... Or even close..... What was our previous biggest fee ever recieved for a player....

Don't get bogged down in hyperbole. We received two £10m payments + add ons for the best English footballer of a generation. Fantastic business is £24m for Lescott. You're making it sound like you'd have been pleased with us getting £15m for Rooney.

 

[Jacko93]

With all due respect etc, it's not the role of a fans' pressure group to look for investors. That's the role of the Board of Directors - and as the minutes of the meeting with BK showed, the club has appointed around 6 agents to act on their behalf. Everton in its current state is not attractive to a sovereign wealth fund / oligarch type. It's only attractive to an asset builder who would look to build the asset base and then flip to one of the former for a profit. That and the somewhat unrealistic price and other conditions are why there isn't a queue of investors beating a path to our door. Even this much vaunted prospectus is a pile of ****e - it just talks about the negatives, mainly around the stadium. Nothing about the positive of a club steeped in history, members of the highest profile league in world football etc. Jeez, you'd think they actually don't want someone to buy us!

Can you make a copy of the prospectus available for us to view? Anonymously, of course...........

 

[Stend]

Don't get bogged down in hyperbole. We received two £10m payments + add ons for the best English footballer of a generation. Fantastic business is £24m for Lescott. You're making it sound like you'd have been pleased with us getting £15m for Rooney.

We recieved alot more than £15m for Rooney mate. He was 18 years old and a massive bid of £27m was put on the table for him. A youth player who cost us nothing. As I've said before that sort of money was unheard of at Everton. How anyone in their right minds can say it wasn't a fantastic deal for both party's I don't know.

Any chairman in our predicament would have snapped the hands off United.

 

[magicjuan]

We recieved alot more than £15m for Rooney mate. He was 18 years old and a massive bid of £27m was put on the table for him. A youth player who cost us nothing. As I've said before that sort of money was unheard of at Everton. How anyone in their right minds can say it wasn't a fantastic deal for both party's I don't know.

Any chairman in our predicament would have snapped the hands off United.

IircNewcastle offered straight cash, it was Rooney that picked utd, on a staggered deal that didn't equate to original agreements as I'm sure one of the deals involving either saha or howard wiped out monies owing.
Not the great deal it was painted out to be, utd took advantage of Bill 'won't sell him for 50m' wheeler-dealer Kenwright et al

 

[Stend]

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IircNewcastle offered straight cash, it was Rooney that picked utd, on a staggered deal that didn't equate to original agreements as I'm sure one of the deals involving either saha or howard wiped out monies owing.
Not the great deal it was painted out to be, utd took advantage of Bill 'won't sell him for 50m' wheeler-dealer Kenwright et al

But did they though? Can you prove it was a cash offer? Even if so, it was reported as a £20m offer. £7m short of the united offer. If we had rejected those offers where would we be now? How much would we have got for him further down the line... I don't think a lot more.

 

[Carlito]

£27m in 2004 for an 18 year old is absolutely fantastic business.

Go on list other 18 year olds, infact teenagers who have been sold for more.... Or even close..... What was our previous biggest fee ever recieved for a player....

So he was just a standard eighteen year old, was he? There wasn't anything to suggest he was a little bit different to the others in his age group? Also, Everton sold him for £20m guaranteed, with the rest depending on apperances/achievements. (source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/3611234.stm)

As for your list, there are a few examples of very young players being sold for sums in the region of £20m, yes. Whether or not you dismiss the ones that aren't teenagers is up to you.

- Javier Saviola, £15m, age 19 (River Plate to Barcelona, 2001)
- Rio Ferdinand, £18m, age 22 (West Ham United to Leeds United, 2000)
- Anderson, £18m, age 19 (Porto to Manchester United, 2007)
- Phil Jones, £16.5m, age 19 (Blackburn to Manchester United, 2011)
- Mario Balotelli, £24m, age 20 (Inter to Man City, 2010)
- Pablo Aimar, €24, age 20, (River Plate to Valencia)
- Nani, €25.5, age 20, (Sporting CP to Manchester United)
- Nicolas Anelka, £22.3m, age 19 (Arsenal to Real Madrid, 1999)
- Sergio Ramos, €27 million, age 19 (Sevilla to Real Madrid, 2005)

Of those, the only one who was already established at international level was Anelka.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Maybe they wanted an AGM instead of having to derail arguments?

What AGM?

By refusing to allow his presence at the meeting, he's denied himself the platform to counter some of the assertions being made by Dave Kelly et al. A cynic might therefore conclude that he's not got much to counter with.........hence the avoidance.

I'm sure Elstone is capable of maintaining order at a small invite only meeting, maybe he was scared Kelly would crush his hobnobs...

 

[davek]

Dave Kelly ate Elstone's hamster.

 

[Stend]

so he was just a standard eighteen year old, was he? There wasn't anything to suggest he was a little bit different to the others in his age group? Also, Everton sold him for £20m guaranteed, with the rest depending on apperances/achievements. (source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/3611234.stm)


As for your list, there are a few examples of very young players being sold for sums in the region of £20m, yes. Whether or not you dismiss the ones that aren't teenagers is up to you.

- Javier Saviola, £15m, age 19 (River Plate to Barcelona, 2001)
- Rio Ferdinand, £18m, age 22 (West Ham United to Leeds United, 2000)
- Anderson, £18m, age 19 (Porto to Manchester United, 2007)
- Phil Jones, £16.5m, age 19 (Blackburn to Manchester United, 2011)
- Mario Balotelli, £24m, age 20 (Inter to Man City, 2010)
- Pablo Aimar, €24, age 20, (River Plate to Valencia)
- Nani, €25.5, age 20, (Sporting CP to Manchester United)
- Nicolas Anelka, £22.3m, age 19 (Arsenal to Real Madrid, 1999)
- Sergio Ramos, €27 million, age 19 (Sevilla to Real Madrid, 2005)

Of those, the only one who was already established at international level was Anelka.

When did I say he was a standard 18 year old? Standard 18 years olds don't go for £27m mate. I also highly doubt that any of those you list were straight cash deals apart from maybe Balotteli. You list players with Euros, players who cost nearly half what Rooney did and players 4 years older than him.

He was younger than all those you list and we still got the biggest fee. Does that not indicate that the fee was a good deal? You have zero substance in your last post. If anything you've cemented what I've said.

 

[NewRadical]

Look for a report in tomorrow's Liverpool Echo about the Blue Union tapping Everton FC's phone lines.

I here from a good source that members of the BU have managed to tie an extra peice of string and a cup up to the existing system.

 

[Steve Wigan]

I might be wrong but didn't united only start negotiations because Newcastle offered us 24m upfront. I'm sure we could have gotten more upfront.

There was a pretty strong theory at the time that the Newcastle bid was just a 'stalking horse' bid to get Manyoo to open negotiations. Stretfords office, run by his son, was in St James Park and they were know to work closely with the then owners of Newcastle. I don't think Newcastle ever seriously contemplated signing Rooney, and Rooney certainly never contemplated signing for Newcastle. I suspect the Newcastle bid was..er...a 'phoney bid'.....