Current Affairs Elon Musk

[LostLegend]

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Anyone who looks at a right wing “free speech absolutist” rat like Musk and still thinks Capitalism and the free market is a good idea is insane. He’s basically just bought the biggest source of news on the planet so he can push whatever vile agenda he wants

He's a real life Mr. Burns at this stage

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Imagine bootlicking the richest man in the world for illegally firing thousands of people overnight.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Imagine bootlicking the richest man in the world for illegally firing thousands of people overnight.

Sadly rich and successful people don't have to look far to find sycophants

Probably why a bunch of them amass their wealth to begin with

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Sadly rich and successful people don't have to look far to find sycophants

Probably why a bunch of them amass their wealth to begin with

Yup. You can see from posts on here that some people believe the accumulation of wealth is associated with extraordinary intelligence.

Truth is it can also mean someone is likely a selfish and ruthless sociopath.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Yup. You can see from posts on here that some people believe the accumulation of wealth is associated with extraordinary intelligence.

Truth is it can also mean someone is likely a selfish and ruthless sociopath.

Sadly we live in a selfish world where ruthless sociopathy is worshipped by far too many people

 

[ChesterBlue]

Yup. You can see from posts on here that some people believe the accumulation of wealth is associated with extraordinary intelligence.

Truth is it can also mean someone is likely a selfish and ruthless sociopath.

Honestly, most of the world needs a revolution. The media being in corpo and billionaire pockets is the only thing slowing it.

Treating the workforce like they’re expendable, and barely throwing a crumb their way while amassing massive profits and allowing the rich to perpetually get richer and live like kings in comparison to the average person can’t go on forever. Eventually people will begin to realise it isn’t the poor migrants and refugees, or trans people who are making their lives miserable - it’s the rich, corporate overlords and their greed parasitically taking all the profits from their labour and giving them next to nothing in return.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Honestly, most of the world needs a revolution. The media being in corpo and billionaire pockets is the only thing slowing it.

Treating the workforce like they’re expendable, and barely throwing a crumb their way while amassing massive profits and allowing the rich to perpetually get richer and live like kings in comparison to the average person can’t go on forever. Eventually people will begin to realise it isn’t the poor migrants and refugees, or trans people who are making their lives miserable - it’s the rich, corporate overlords and their greed parasitically taking all the profits from their labour and giving them next to nothing in return.

Well we've managed about 10,000 years without anybody cottoning on, why would it change now?

 

[ChesterBlue]

Well we've managed about 10,000 years without anybody cottoning on, why would it change now?

Populations are becoming more educated, and there’s a more significant grassroots feeling among the younger generations that they do not want to live in a society where massive swathes of the population are struggling while a few percent have everything.

I’m 30 and was politically only just becoming aware at 20-21, but you speak to people that age now and they are way more switched on to politics and way more left leaning, which does give me some hope for a better future, even if it’s after my time

 

[roydo]

Populations are becoming more educated, and there’s a more significant grassroots feeling among the younger generations that they do not want to live in a society where massive swathes of the population are struggling while a few percent have everything.

I’m 30 and was politically only just becoming aware at 20-21, but you speak to people that age now and they are way more switched on to politics and way more left leaning, which does give me some hope for a better future, even if it’s after my time

The flaw in your argument is that in many cases, folk get extremely rich cos they have made sommet loads of people will pay for/use. There are obviously some outliers, usually down to corruption in high office.

 

[ChesterBlue]

The flaw in your argument is that in many cases, folk get extremely rich cos they have made sommet loads of people will pay for/use. There are obviously some outliers, usually down to corruption in high office.

Do they though? Or is it their engineers or inventors which actually create it? Musk hasn’t made a damn thing himself and got rich from his family’s apartheid era emerald mine.

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[roydo]

Do they though? Or is it their engineers or inventors which actually create it? Musk hasn’t made a damn thing himself and got rich from his family’s apartheid era emerald mine.

I was told the other day he invented pay pal or sommet similar. I am not defending him, he seems a pretty crappy person, but folk like James Dyson did invent his vacuum, Branson did start Virgin Record etc etc, Gates did pioneer windows and MS, Zuucherman (?) did invent Facebook, Bezos did found Amazon, Steve Jobs at Apple.

 

[ChesterBlue]

I was told the other day he invented pay pal or sommet similar. I am not defending him, he seems a pretty crappy person, but folk like James Dyson did invent his vacuum, Branson did start Virgin Record etc etc, Gates did pioneer windows and MS, Zuucherman (?) did invent Facebook, Bezos did found Amazon, Steve Jobs at Apple.

Of those, I would concede Zuckerman and Dyson and probably Gates, Musks involvement in the creation of PayPal is massively overstated. The vast majority of billionaires come from generational wealth or get where they get via nepotism and screwing people over, you could probably argue the closest to a “self made” billionaire is Mike Ashley, and look how disgustingly he treats his staff - it’s inherently impossible to generate the level of personal wealth ethically and without exploiting people, and it’s impossible for one person having that level of wealth to be even remotely ethical.

You also have to take into account the fact that barely, if any of them pay taxes even remotely close to being a reasonable proportion of their wealth, and often offshore massive amounts of it, which they will never even actualise as it will be taxed if they do. Which means they are literally sucking money out of the system while contributing barely anything to it.

 

[roydo]

Of those, I would concede Zuckerman and Dyson and probably Gates, Musks involvement in the creation of PayPal is massively overstated. The vast majority of billionaires come from generational wealth or get where they get via nepotism and screwing people over, you could probably argue the closest to a “self made” billionaire is Mike Ashley, and look how disgustingly he treats his staff - it’s inherently impossible to generate the level of personal wealth ethically and without exploiting people, and it’s impossible for one person having that level of wealth to be even remotely ethical.

You also have to take into account the fact that barely, if any of them pay taxes even remotely close to being a reasonable proportion of their wealth, and often offshore massive amounts of it, which they will never even actualise as it will be taxed if they do. Which means they are literally sucking money out of the system while contributing barely anything to it.

My argument isnt "Billionaires are nice", it is that many of them are rich cos they provide sommet millions of folk use or buy. Taxation of them etc etc is a totally different issue. The Ineos bloke, Peter Hargreaves and Steve Lansdown, Stoke owner, JCB bloke all do/did sommet that made them rich. Sure, there will be some generational ones, but very very few family's start life as a Billionaire one.