Current Affairs Elon Musk

[catcherintherye]

A very strange individual.

His entire history is one of seeming contradictions.

Supporting Trump and going all in was just another of these.

Very close mates with Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein. His dad often joked about having sex with his daughter. All I can see is a wrongun myself. Never liked the weirdo, but then I can't stand nonces.

 

[Tommy Chong]

Very close mates with Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein. His dad often joked about having sex with his daughter. All I can see is a wrongun myself. Never liked the weirdo, but then I can't stand nonces.

To put it bluntly, he's a:

 

[bluestevon]

Very close mates with Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein. His dad often joked about having sex with his daughter. All I can see is a wrongun myself. Never liked the weirdo, but then I can't stand nonces.

I'm kinda neutral on the guy mate, don't honestly know that much about him, don't really have a desire to spend time finding out either being frank.

Never really seen the appeal of him as he just comes across as another of the tech guys, weird, eccentric etc.

One of my students is reading his autobiography atm so actually that's the most I've ever really heard about him

 

[Zatara]

I mean Zat, the Democrats do lots of things wrong, but quite clearly it's not a communist country. It's a capitalist country, both parties are parties of capital. There's probably an argument at this point, that the Democrats are more the party of American capital too.

As for Musk, surely any government should be able to put anyone in jail if they break the law? That's kind of how the law should work. Musk, nor anybody else should be above the law.

If I were Musk, I'd stop worrying about superfluous things, and start worrying about how my businesses can turn a positive profit on a consistent basis.

My last post didnt pick out the US for being communist -- Kamala and the democrats of being communist leaning? Of course!

You've lost me about "democrats / American capital" ?

Funnily enough the most left wing women in financial markets that I have had the displeasure of dealing with, have been Americans living in; NYC, San Francisco, Singapore and also Asians who have moved to various parts of California. All part of their little groups and doing events for clients where they attend for 'networking' -- doing business between themselves like a cabal. Backslapping and posting online about how wonderful they are -- while leeching off their tech geek husbands.

Those are a minority compared to every man i speak with being republican as well as most of the women who actually get deals over the line and want to work for success and have substance.

The men around the US who I speak with in NYC, San Francisco, LA, Georgia (used to be in Chicago but they left) and suchlike literally all complain about the crime, immigration and economy -- that if there was no global tax on Americans (something Trump wants to remove) they would love to relocate to Dubai or Asia.

Comparing the various routes into business in Asia & Dubai vs many states in the US you cannot point at the democrat states as being inviting for entrepreneurs...who is moving to LA, San Francisco, Boston or NYC and not getting better desls elsewhere?

Look at Musk...look at O'Leary...all the pro business guys who could be growing businesses in those states but see the legal and tax risks there and decide to move to different areas (republican states or overseas). I think you really should evaluate why you have such a misguided view on this.

Just look at those two examples and Trump the think "this could happen to me".

You are not Musk. If you were a businessman then you would likely not be in favour of the democrats unless you had a hidden agenda.

 

[Zatara]

Very close mates with Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein. His dad often joked about having sex with his daughter. All I can see is a wrongun myself. Never liked the weirdo, but then I can't stand nonces.

With Musk its hard to tell if he was 'friends' with anyone who he has named dropped and been seen 'friendly' with.

He's done this routine so many times and with various people and he's now a multi-billionaire.

The man has the worlds largest social media platform...builds futuristic tech and clearly is built differently.

I think its very poor form to throw out words against people without anything to go on-- go into the Kamala thread and try to call her a "nonce" and see how quickly you arent able to post there. Thats the democrats.

Musk has tried to open up freedom of speech which was definitely corrupted by the US MSN and Twitter + FB being issues. Now we see Harris complaining that X isnt following the same 'rules' as FB!!! How that isnt "fair"...

The DOJ wants SpaceX to hire...wait for it....ASYLUM SEEKERS...not those granted asylum, not working people, not the BEST people for a SPACE PROGRAM more successful currently than NASA....ASYLUM SEEKERS.

WTAF ??? The democrat party...the democrat attorneys...the judges...leadership...that is them -- NOT A CAPITALIST PARTY.

You literally cannot make this up that there is a law in place that prevents certain types of company activities being carried out by certain groups of people -- SpaceX falls into that bracket with asylum seekers.

But because he supports free speech...because he sees through the democrats...they attack him not through X but his other company.

This man should be celebrated for his vision and achievements.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

With Musk its hard to tell if he was 'friends' with anyone who he has named dropped and been seen 'friendly' with.

He's done this routine so many times and with various people and he's now a multi-billionaire.

The man has the worlds largest social media platform...builds futuristic tech and clearly is built differently.

I think its very poor form to throw out words against people without anything to go on-- go into the Kamala thread and try to call her a "nonce" and see how quickly you arent able to post there. Thats the democrats.

Musk has tried to open up freedom of speech which was definitely corrupted by the US MSN and Twitter + FB being issues. Now we see Harris complaining that X isnt following the same 'rules' as FB!!! How that isnt "fair"...

The DOJ wants SpaceX to hire...wait for it....ASYLUM SEEKERS...not those granted asylum, not working people, not the BEST people for a SPACE PROGRAM more successful currently than NASA....ASYLUM SEEKERS.

WTAF ??? The democrat party...the democrat attorneys...the judges...leadership...that is them -- NOT A CAPITALIST PARTY.

You literally cannot make this up that there is a law in place that prevents certain types of company activities being carried out by certain groups of people -- SpaceX falls into that bracket with asylum seekers.

But because he supports free speech...because he sees through the democrats...they attack him not through X but his other company.

This man should be celebrated for his vision and achievements.

 

[catcherintherye]

With Musk its hard to tell if he was 'friends' with anyone who he has named dropped and been seen 'friendly' with.

He's done this routine so many times and with various people and he's now a multi-billionaire.

The man has the worlds largest social media platform...builds futuristic tech and clearly is built differently.

I think its very poor form to throw out words against people without anything to go on-- go into the Kamala thread and try to call her a "nonce" and see how quickly you arent able to post there. Thats the democrats.

Musk has tried to open up freedom of speech which was definitely corrupted by the US MSN and Twitter + FB being issues. Now we see Harris complaining that X isnt following the same 'rules' as FB!!! How that isnt "fair"...

The DOJ wants SpaceX to hire...wait for it....ASYLUM SEEKERS...not those granted asylum, not working people, not the BEST people for a SPACE PROGRAM more successful currently than NASA....ASYLUM SEEKERS.

WTAF ??? The democrat party...the democrat attorneys...the judges...leadership...that is them -- NOT A CAPITALIST PARTY.

You literally cannot make this up that there is a law in place that prevents certain types of company activities being carried out by certain groups of people -- SpaceX falls into that bracket with asylum seekers.

But because he supports free speech...because he sees through the democrats...they attack him not through X but his other company.

This man should be celebrated for his vision and achievements.

Hold on mate, you're not seriously trying to defend a man who is friends with a prolific convicted peadophile are you? I get people make alliances, but I don't think it's appropriate to make alliances or befriend convicted peadophiles.

I assume that people who do that are nonces. If that upsets you or others I'm fine with that, as my job is to tell the truth. If you befriend a convicted peadophile, you're not only scum, but you're a danger around kids. I'm not sure this would even be controversial.

Re Harris, of she befriendrd Epstein/Maxwell id say the same. I don't think the Democrats control the Everton forum though mate, it's just that Evertonians have the good sense to know a nonce when we see one.

The people you mentioned are all upholders of capitalism. America is a capitalist country. They are also majorly backed by Wall Street banks. These people are epitome of global capital. You or I may disagree with them strategically, but they are undoubtedly capitalist.

He doesn't support free speech. He has silenced multiple voices. Id had a modicum of respect for him if he supported free speech, but he doesn't. He's a fraud.

As for his innovations. His family owned a mine is a racist country and this provided him the capital for his business ventures.

Paypal was ok but not really innovative in a world where you have Visa. Electric cars that have terrible range and very expensive. Driverless cars which would be very dangerous. Rockets to mars which are wholly unnecessary. Or now taking over (not creating) a social media company which he is running into the ground.

All of the above are all basically loss making, destroying shareholder capital (not PayPal, but this only became profitable long after Musk not being involved). Like I'm not sure what I'm seeing with Musk. He's clearly got great PR and seems to convince sub optimal thinkers he's some visionary businessman. I just don't see it.

As a final aside, it's not ideological either. I just think the fella is a fraud. I disagree ideologically with Icahn, or Howard Marx but I can respect their business acumen.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

With Musk its hard to tell if he was 'friends' with anyone who he has named dropped and been seen 'friendly' with.

He's done this routine so many times and with various people and he's now a multi-billionaire.

The man has the worlds largest social media platform...builds futuristic tech and clearly is built differently.

I think its very poor form to throw out words against people without anything to go on-- go into the Kamala thread and try to call her a "nonce" and see how quickly you arent able to post there. Thats the democrats.

Musk has tried to open up freedom of speech which was definitely corrupted by the US MSN and Twitter + FB being issues. Now we see Harris complaining that X isnt following the same 'rules' as FB!!! How that isnt "fair"...

The DOJ wants SpaceX to hire...wait for it....ASYLUM SEEKERS...not those granted asylum, not working people, not the BEST people for a SPACE PROGRAM more successful currently than NASA....ASYLUM SEEKERS.

WTAF ??? The democrat party...the democrat attorneys...the judges...leadership...that is them -- NOT A CAPITALIST PARTY.

You literally cannot make this up that there is a law in place that prevents certain types of company activities being carried out by certain groups of people -- SpaceX falls into that bracket with asylum seekers.

But because he supports free speech...because he sees through the democrats...they attack him not through X but his other company.

This man should be celebrated for his vision and achievements.

LOL


I am not sure you will ever actually realise how sad you are

 

[catcherintherye]

My last post didnt pick out the US for being communist -- Kamala and the democrats of being communist leaning? Of course!

You've lost me about "democrats / American capital" ?

Funnily enough the most left wing women in financial markets that I have had the displeasure of dealing with, have been Americans living in; NYC, San Francisco, Singapore and also Asians who have moved to various parts of California. All part of their little groups and doing events for clients where they attend for 'networking' -- doing business between themselves like a cabal. Backslapping and posting online about how wonderful they are -- while leeching off their tech geek husbands.

Those are a minority compared to every man i speak with being republican as well as most of the women who actually get deals over the line and want to work for success and have substance.

The men around the US who I speak with in NYC, San Francisco, LA, Georgia (used to be in Chicago but they left) and suchlike literally all complain about the crime, immigration and economy -- that if there was no global tax on Americans (something Trump wants to remove) they would love to relocate to Dubai or Asia.

Comparing the various routes into business in Asia & Dubai vs many states in the US you cannot point at the democrat states as being inviting for entrepreneurs...who is moving to LA, San Francisco, Boston or NYC and not getting better desls elsewhere?

Look at Musk...look at O'Leary...all the pro business guys who could be growing businesses in those states but see the legal and tax risks there and decide to move to different areas (republican states or overseas). I think you really should evaluate why you have such a misguided view on this.

Just look at those two examples and Trump the think "this could happen to me".

You are not Musk. If you were a businessman then you would likely not be in favour of the democrats unless you had a hidden agenda.

I'll try and take each bit. You can't really be communist leaning. It's a different economic and social system. It's a binary difference. What you are describing are people who have a more liberal interpretation of how capitalism is structured. That's a perfectlt worth discussion, but they are not communists.

I mean you can hold some liberal lefty views within markets but as above it doesn't make you a communist. The concept of a market to provide capital for profit is the opposite of the idea that resources should be allocated in a democratically controlled way for the needs of the populace. I think both methods have benefits.

I'm not really sure what you're point is though about some participants in the market being unpleasant or a bit vacuous. I'm a socialist, so that's inherently how is view the market, so we would likely agree.

As for O'Leary, is this Kevin O'Leary? The same Kevin O'Leary who borderline fraudulently pumped up Cathie Woods (another total dud) funds that have now lost their investor circa 80% of wealth? The same people who tried to flog the world proftless companies for ridiculous prices while enriching themselves?

I'm not sure what you want me to reflect on from these people? People who destroy investment, who erode capital and undermine shareholders? Like if I'm on the opposite of them, I'm very comfortable with my choices. They are the equivalent of that fella on the big short "short everything that man touches". That's my take on O'Leary, anything he recommendeds, do the opposite, and you will probably be ok.

I'm not sure on your point on taxes. Warren Buffet (an actual successful capitalist unlike Musk, Wood etc) had always said taxes don't matter and no deal doesn't go ahead because of taxes. I'm inclined to listen to him, an expert.

As for supporting the Democrats, he supports the Democrats. As does Klarman, I believe Howard Marx etc. I'm going to trust them, people who have been successful in business over frauds who built businessrs over shareholder dilution and maximizing record levels of cheap access to credit. I don't think there's any secret agenda, it's just common sense to see through frauds mate.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I'll try and take each bit. You can't really be communist leaning. It's a different economic and social system. It's a binary difference. What you are describing are people who have a more liberal interpretation of how capitalism is structured. That's a perfectlt worth discussion, but they are not communists.

I mean you can hold some liberal lefty views within markets but as above it doesn't make you a communist. The concept of a market to provide capital for profit is the opposite of the idea that resources should be allocated in a democratically controlled way for the needs of the populace. I think both methods have benefits.

I'm not really sure what you're point is though about some participants in the market being unpleasant or a bit vacuous. I'm a socialist, so that's inherently how is view the market, so we would likely agree.

As for O'Leary, is this Kevin O'Leary? The same Kevin O'Leary who borderline fraudulently pumped up Cathie Woods (another total dud) funds that have now lost their investor circa 80% of wealth? The same people who tried to flog the world proftless companies for ridiculous prices while enriching themselves?

I'm not sure what you want me to reflect on from these people? People who destroy investment, who erode capital and undermine shareholders? Like if I'm on the opposite of them, I'm very comfortable with my choices. They are the equivalent of that fella on the big short "short everything that man touches". That's my take on O'Leary, anything he recommendeds, do the opposite, and you will probably be ok.

I'm not sure on your point on taxes. Warren Buffet (an actual successful capitalist unlike Musk, Wood etc) had always said taxes don't matter and no deal doesn't go ahead because of taxes. I'm inclined to listen to him, an expert.

As for supporting the Democrats, he supports the Democrats. As does Klarman, I believe Howard Marx etc. I'm going to trust them, people who have been successful in business over frauds who built businessrs over shareholder dilution and maximizing record levels of cheap access to credit. I don't think there's any secret agenda, it's just common sense to see through frauds mate.

Mate, you may as well try to explain this to a door knob.

Let him carry on. It's amusing.

 

[Zatara]

Hold on mate, you're not seriously trying to defend a man who is friends with a prolific convicted peadophile are you? I get people make alliances, but I don't think it's appropriate to make alliances or befriend convicted peadophiles.

I assume that people who do that are nonces. If that upsets you or others I'm fine with that, as my job is to tell the truth. If you befriend a convicted peadophile, you're not only scum, but you're a danger around kids. I'm not sure this would even be controversial.

Re Harris, of she befriendrd Epstein/Maxwell id say the same. I don't think the Democrats control the Everton forum though mate, it's just that Evertonians have the good sense to know a nonce when we see one.

The people you mentioned are all upholders of capitalism. America is a capitalist country. They are also majorly backed by Wall Street banks. These people are epitome of global capital. You or I may disagree with them strategically, but they are undoubtedly capitalist.

He doesn't support free speech. He has silenced multiple voices. Id had a modicum of respect for him if he supported free speech, but he doesn't. He's a fraud.

As for his innovations. His family owned a mine is a racist country and this provided him the capital for his business ventures.

Paypal was ok but not really innovative in a world where you have Visa. Electric cars that have terrible range and very expensive. Driverless cars which would be very dangerous. Rockets to mars which are wholly unnecessary. Or now taking over (not creating) a social media company which he is running into the ground.

All of the above are all basically loss making, destroying shareholder capital (not PayPal, but this only became profitable long after Musk not being involved). Like I'm not sure what I'm seeing with Musk. He's clearly got great PR and seems to convince sub optimal thinkers he's some visionary businessman. I just don't see it.

As a final aside, it's not ideological either. I just think the fella is a fraud. I disagree ideologically with Icahn, or Howard Marx but I can respect their business acumen.

I'm confused. You're saying Elon Musk is a Peadophile because he may (pr may not) have been friends with a high profile man who was finally caught and proven to be a peadophile?

You're then saying Musk's family money from the country of his birth--you deem
to be racist--makes all of his achievements meaningless?

Then to top it off you belittle the technology behind all of the company creations, which no one else has built. Am i right?

I'll try and take each bit. You can't really be communist leaning. It's a different economic and social system. It's a binary difference. What you are describing are people who have a more liberal interpretation of how capitalism is structured. That's a perfectlt worth discussion, but they are not communists.

I mean you can hold some liberal lefty views within markets but as above it doesn't make you a communist. The concept of a market to provide capital for profit is the opposite of the idea that resources should be allocated in a democratically controlled way for the needs of the populace. I think both methods have benefits.

I'm not really sure what you're point is though about some participants in the market being unpleasant or a bit vacuous. I'm a socialist, so that's inherently how is view the market, so we would likely agree.

As for O'Leary, is this Kevin O'Leary? The same Kevin O'Leary who borderline fraudulently pumped up Cathie Woods (another total dud) funds that have now lost their investor circa 80% of wealth? The same people who tried to flog the world proftless companies for ridiculous prices while enriching themselves?

I'm not sure what you want me to reflect on from these people? People who destroy investment, who erode capital and undermine shareholders? Like if I'm on the opposite of them, I'm very comfortable with my choices. They are the equivalent of that fella on the big short "short everything that man touches". That's my take on O'Leary, anything he recommendeds, do the opposite, and you will probably be ok.

I'm not sure on your point on taxes. Warren Buffet (an actual successful capitalist unlike Musk, Wood etc) had always said taxes don't matter and no deal doesn't go ahead because of taxes. I'm inclined to listen to him, an expert.

As for supporting the Democrats, he supports the Democrats. As does Klarman, I believe Howard Marx etc. I'm going to trust them, people who have been successful in business over frauds who built businessrs over shareholder dilution and maximizing record levels of cheap access to credit. I don't think there's any secret agenda, it's just common sense to see through frauds mate.

These are extremely odd views for someone with any serious interest in business.

Would you suggest that your wealth and experience is significantly higher than those names I mentioned?

 

[Rita_Poon]

One minute Henry Kissinger, the next minute the owner of a kebab stall.

Are there no beginnings to the zat-mans talents...

 

[coollino]

People thinking the democrats are anything even close to communist shows how thick some people are, they're hardly even on the left ffs

 

[catcherintherye]

I'm confused. You're saying Elon Musk is a Peadophile because he may (pr may not) have been friends with a high profile man who was finally caught and proven to be a peadophile?

You're then saying Musk's family money from the country of his birth--you deem
to be racist--makes all of his achievements meaningless?

Then to top it off you belittle the technology behind all of the company creations, which no one else has built. Am i right?



These are extremely odd views for someone with any serious interest in business.

Would you suggest that your wealth and experience is significantly higher than those names I mentioned?

He was friends with Maxwell and Epstein. Peadophiles tend to hang out with other peadophiles, so I think he has questions to answer. Do you not think it's weird?

I'm saying Apartheid, a political of racialized segregation is racist yes. Would you not agree? And not meaningless, but it provides a context. If you give someone huge cash flow, they should be able to become wealthy. The hardest part is having the initial cash flow.

I'm not belittling it let se, I'm asking is it as revolutionary as we think. Like is an electric car that much of an advance? I'm not sure. I'm not a big fan of Teslas. I can't drive one a couple of hours away and back without needing to recharge it. Just a personal opinion. Is it THAT visionary?

Which bits are odd? That Buffett and Klarman know about business? Or that Wood destroys shareholder wealth, and the likes of O'Leary propagate that?

My wealth is not higher than O'Leary. But I don't charge people money to recommend them buying companies with zero money. I'll compound my wealth at a quicker rate than Wood or O'Leary during any 10 year time period.

And I won't destroy other people's capital along the way.

Why would me or you have any respect for people who destroy shareholder wealth? There's no honour in that.

 

[catcherintherye]

I'm confused. You're saying Elon Musk is a Peadophile because he may (pr may not) have been friends with a high profile man who was finally caught and proven to be a peadophile?

You're then saying Musk's family money from the country of his birth--you deem
to be racist--makes all of his achievements meaningless?

Then to top it off you belittle the technology behind all of the company creations, which no one else has built. Am i right?



These are extremely odd views for someone with any serious interest in business.

Would you suggest that your wealth and experience is significantly higher than those names I mentioned?

Just to add, I've just seen that O'Leary also took money from FTX, money that was being stolen from their depositors behind their backs.

The man's a thief and a scumbag. Why are you protecting people like this? Why do you think they are some sort of shining light of what we want to be?

I couldn't care less how much money/money they have, if you get it through defrauding ordinary people of money in scams like FTX, they are in no position to lecture me, you or anyone else about investments or standards mate.