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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

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Zartan said:
That banner was and still is pathetic. Daft thing is, it was probably made by someone who wasn’t even born or was just a little kid in 1985.
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That is the very point though. Your club has continually ignored your Heysel legacy by deflecting all blame and responsibility.

Why is the age of the person who made that banner even relevant? It is obscene and you are an apologist for it.
 

From RAWK:

- The Petro-dollar FC Treble. The fake Treble.

- The level of financial doping is obscene

- People might sit up and take notice of this. Us getting beat with 97 points is funny for all concerned. Not so much little old watfords dreams being crushed like a beetle

- Reckon anyone in the FA is perturbed by this? Almost definitely not, but they should be.

- Who gives a [Poor language removed] about these c*nts. Unfair playing field.



.....still hurting. Hurting real bad.
 

Armaghtoffee said:
That is the very point though. Your club has continually ignored your Heysel legacy by deflecting all blame and responsibility.

Why is the age of the person who made that banner even relevant? It is obscene and you are an apologist for it.
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An apologist?. What on earth are you talking about?. You’re paranoid.

My point is, the person who made that banner, trivializing Heysel and the deaths of 39 people, to wind up Evertonians, may not even have been alive in 1985 and therefore likely not to fully appreciate just how incredibly sad and tragic that day was.
 
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Zartan said:
An apologist?. What on earth are you talking about?. You’re paranoid.

My point is, the person who made that banner, trivializing Heysel and the deaths of 39 people, to wind up Evertonians, may not have even been alive in 1985 and fully appreciate just how incredibly sad and tragic that day was.
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How would any of what I said make me paranoid?

I actually don’t view the banner as being directed at Evertonians, more just a physical manifestation of the self entitling history denying Kopite cult.

The age of the person who made the banner is irrelevant. If I had a banner at Goodison glorifying Munich should I be excused it as I wasn’t born?
 
Armaghtoffee said:
How would any of what I said make me paranoid?

I actually don’t view the banner as being directed at Evertonians, more just a physical manifestation of the self entitling history denying Kopite cult.

The age of the person who made the banner is irrelevant. If I had a banner at Goodison glorifying Munich should I be excused it as I wasn’t born?
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Or if someone made comments about Hillsborough, would it be more acceptable if they weren't born at the time? I think not, and rightly so. There is no mitigation!
 
Khalekan said:
Liverpool supporters played a significant part in events that led to 39 deaths at the 1985 European Cup final against Juventus but


I stopped reading at that part.......I long ago realised that everything printed before the word “but” becomes moot.

Even when the acknowledgement is as mealy mouthed as Mr. Evans’s is.

Just to clear things up for his benefit.....without the rampaging Liverpool fans there would have been no Heysel stadium massacre, the unworthiness of the venue itself notwithstanding.

Their role in the tragedy was not merely “significant”.....it was the catalyst which led to it.

And yes, Everton were indeed denied a chance to, not become “one of England’s dominant teams” (we already were that, having just secured the Title and would lift it again two years later), but to really step up into the big time and win the European Cup itself.

And FYI my generation of Evertonians has passed that sure and certain belief on to its children in the next generation .....and that generation is already passing it on to an even newer generation coming through now.

You will never, ever be allowed to forget it despite the best efforts of LFC and the media to airbrush it from history.

You can shove your Madrid final and all the inevitable scenes of uncouth, loutish behaviour we are going to see on our screens in a fortnight’s time up yer jacksie.

We would not trade the noble heritage of our ridiculously underachieving but extremely proud club for the blood stained history that Liverpool and its moronic cultists have made for themselves in Europe.
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Liverpool supporters played a significant part in events that led to 39 deaths at the 1985 European Cup final against Juventus but

Oh my good God!

Khalekan, great post.

That quote you pulled is the worst example of weasel words I've seen in a long time. There are some words that we dance around for fear of giving offence, but when I read this I don't know if it is doing more harm than good.

For balance I offer this (from Wikipedia I freely admit):

Murder is an offence under the common lawof England and Wales. It is considered the most serious form of homicide, in which one person kills another with the intention to cause either death or serious injury unlawfully. The element of intentionality was originally termed malice aforethought although it required neither malice nor premeditation.

Because murder is generally defined in law as an intent to cause serious harm or injury (alone or with others), combined with a death arising from that intention, there are certain circumstances where a death will be treated as murder even if the defendant did not wish to kill the actual victim. This is called "transferred malice", and arises in two common cases:

  • The defendant intended serious harm to one or more persons, but an unintended other person dies as a result;
  • Several people share an intent to do serious harm, and the victim dies because of the action of any of those involved (for example, if another person goes "further than expected" or performs an unexpectedly lethal action).
 

Armaghtoffee said:
How would any of what I said make me paranoid?

I actually don’t view the banner as being directed at Evertonians, more just a physical manifestation of the self entitling history denying Kopite cult.

The age of the person who made the banner is irrelevant. If I had a banner at Goodison glorifying Munich should I be excused it as I wasn’t born?
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I never said or implied the person who made the Steaua Bucharest banner should be excused if he or she wasn’t alive in 1985. That fact you read that into my post, presumably because you incorrectly think I’m a kopite, makes you paranoid in my view.

Of course the banner was directed at Evertonians. It was saying “Look, Steaua Bucharest won the European Cup in 1986, when you should have. Hahaha”.
 
Zartan said:
I never said or implied the person who made the Steaua Bucharest banner should be excused if he or she wasn’t alive in 1985. That fact you read that into my post, presumably because you incorrectly think I’m a kopite, makes you paranoid in my view.

Of course the banner was directed at Evertonians. It was saying “Look, Steaua Bucharest won the European Cup in 1986, when you should have. Hahaha”.
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You are ploughing a lonely furrow.
 

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