ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

[chrismpw]

Tony Evans article misses the target by some distance. Collectively I think they’ve lost it big time. Scraping the barrel with this comment: “A generation of Evertonians has grown up to believe that the Heysel stadium disaster ended their team’s hopes of being one of England’s dominant clubs.”

Opinion | Can Liverpool ever escape its past? Rivals ramp-up stereotypes of the club, and the city

Manchester City staff are recorded singing an offensive song after their title win and offer a tone-deaf justification as vitriol for the club, and the city, is heightened during a successful period

www.scmp.com

We don't believe, we know. And we don't forget. Are they attempting revisionism here, or gave they eventually apologised and are compensating us? Around a billion ought to do it.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

Surely they could find another equine faced clown just as easy.

For article that wants to dispel the 'myth' of the victimhood its not doing a good job.

But this is horrendous.

When Liverpool scored a late goal to beat Newcastle United this month the word “Hillsborough” trended on Twitter

Does he really think this was because of opposing fans and not mawkish try hard reds writing stuff like 'that's for the 96 angels'.

A fairly revolting article from start to finish for so many reasons.

There were people saying Liverpool should have been given the title because it's the 30th anniversary of Hillsborough. Sake. Bradford City lost fans in a fire, but they didn't expect to be automatically promoted a couple of seasons ago.

Also, as has been said a lot here, randomly throwing around JFT96 really cheapens what that slogan is about. Like, someone randomly posted JFT96 in a thread about Barcelona and I asked wtf Barcelona had to do with Hillsborough.

 

[royalblue66]

Talking to a fella last night, and he said he was in this pub last weekend when the
City & R/S games were on, the City team were celebrating,and this R/S fan told the landlord to turn it off he ignored him and the R/S rammed a pool cue thru the telle, I mean what the hell is wrong with these people ?

 

[Saint Domingo]

Added to that their season is 3 weeks longer tha everybody else and they're both off to the African cup of nations with both expected to go deep, the final is only two or three weeks before the start of the season.

Worrying times.

Yeah exactly. But then I thought that they’d slow up this season due to most of their first 11 going deep in the World Cup on the back of a season where they reached the CL final. Instead they’ve just blasted every single game without rotation and not dipped at all. Jurgen must have a good dealer.

 

[toffeejack]

I mean, much more could have been added to, that whole club is a cry arse baby.

 

[Minimeister]

Yeah exactly. But then I thought that they’d slow up this season due to most of their first 11 going deep in the World Cup on the back of a season where they reached the CL final. Instead they’ve just blasted every single game without rotation and not dipped at all. Jurgen must have a good dealer.

To be fair they had two, 2 week breaks when everyone else was playing in the FA Cup and Salah spent the last international break on holiday. Just more things in their favour that they didn't take advantage of.

 

[Khalekan]

I'll just leave that there...

Filming yourself sat on the couch watching the match on TV is the absolute epitome of Kopite Behaviour.

 

[PITA]

Firmino 27, Mane 27 & Salah 27 next month.
While i would say this scenario would fit best, Liverpool unfortunatly over the last 3/4 years have been very savy in the transfer market and that includes when to sell.
Another hope of mine was the players would get a Dortmund style Klopp burnout, just like what happened to Hummels, Sahin, Reus, Bender, the 2 full backs, Kagawa & Gotze. They all fatigued so much constant injuries occured and some have took years to get back to the players they were while some havent even returned to that.
Looking at how over his years at Liverpool Klopp has gradually improved problems that have arrose in previous seasons (set piece defending- get van dijk & allison, christmas period - use shaqiri over that period at a small fee and play a less intence game), he seems to spot the flaws and fix them.
I wonder if firmino's latest knocks and niggles are a start to this or just a rare occurance (i cant think of to many players out for a long time with muscle injurys this season), and if it is they may look at shifting firmino before he starts to regress. They could easily get PSG or someone to play 100m+ for him

Defensively poor. Buy VVD and Allison. Mark of a managerial genius.

 

[Khalekan]

Tony Evans article misses the target by some distance. Collectively I think they’ve lost it big time. Scraping the barrel with this comment: “A generation of Evertonians has grown up to believe that the Heysel stadium disaster ended their team’s hopes of being one of England’s dominant clubs.”

Opinion | Can Liverpool ever escape its past? Rivals ramp-up stereotypes of the club, and the city

Manchester City staff are recorded singing an offensive song after their title win and offer a tone-deaf justification as vitriol for the club, and the city, is heightened during a successful period

www.scmp.com

Liverpool supporters played a significant part in events that led to 39 deaths at the 1985 European Cup final against Juventus but


I stopped reading at that part.......I long ago realised that everything printed before the word “but” becomes moot.

Even when the acknowledgement is as mealy mouthed as Mr. Evans’s is.

Just to clear things up for his benefit.....without the rampaging Liverpool fans there would have been no Heysel stadium massacre, the unworthiness of the venue itself notwithstanding.

Their role in the tragedy was not merely “significant”.....it was the catalyst which led to it.

And yes, Everton were indeed denied a chance to, not become “one of England’s dominant teams” (we already were that, having just secured the Title and would lift it again two years later), but to really step up into the big time and win the European Cup itself.

And FYI my generation of Evertonians has passed that sure and certain belief on to its children in the next generation .....and that generation is already passing it on to an even newer generation coming through now.

You will never, ever be allowed to forget it despite the best efforts of LFC and the media to airbrush it from history.

You can shove your Madrid final and all the inevitable scenes of uncouth, loutish behaviour we are going to see on our screens in a fortnight’s time up yer jacksie.

We would not trade the noble heritage of our ridiculously underachieving but extremely proud club for the blood stained history that Liverpool and its moronic cultists have made for themselves in Europe.

 

[toffeejack]

Yeah exactly. But then I thought that they’d slow up this season due to most of their first 11 going deep in the World Cup on the back of a season where they reached the CL final. Instead they’ve just blasted every single game without rotation and not dipped at all. Jurgen must have a good dealer.

i think blasted is being kind. They've only won about 4 games this season blasting teams away.

 

[boris]

Yeah exactly. But then I thought that they’d slow up this season due to most of their first 11 going deep in the World Cup on the back of a season where they reached the CL final. Instead they’ve just blasted every single game without rotation and not dipped at all. Jurgen must have a good dealer.

Most of there first 11 never went deep in the World Cup. They only had 2 starters in the World Cup QF’s and that was the keeper who went out that round and Lovren who barely played this season with injuries.

Most of there first 11 were home resting or couldn’t get a game.

 

[Aberblue]

Liverpool supporters played a significant part in events that led to 39 deaths at the 1985 European Cup final against Juventus but

Reminds me of the people who say "I'm not a racist, but ....."

 

[SantaClausisanEvertonian]

Liverpool supporters played a significant part in events that led to 39 deaths at the 1985 European Cup final against Juventus but


I stopped reading at that part.......I long ago realised that everything printed before the word “but” becomes moot.

Even when the acknowledgement is as mealy mouthed as Mr. Evans’s is.

Just to clear things up for his benefit.....without the rampaging Liverpool fans there would have been no Heysel stadium massacre, the unworthiness of the venue itself notwithstanding.

Their role in the tragedy was not merely “significant”.....it was the catalyst which led to it.

And yes, Everton were indeed denied a chance to, not become “one of England’s dominant teams” (we already were that, having just secured the Title and would lift it again two years later), but to really step up into the big time and win the European Cup itself.

And FYI my generation of Evertonians has passed that sure and certain belief on to its children in the next generation .....and that generation is already passing it on to an even newer generation coming through now.

You will never, ever be allowed to forget it despite the best efforts of LFC and the media to airbrush it from history.

You can shove your Madrid final and all the inevitable scenes of uncouth, loutish behaviour we are going to see on our screens in a fortnight’s time up yer jacksie.

We would not trade the noble heritage of our ridiculously underachieving but extremely proud club for the blood stained history that Liverpool and its moronic cultists have made for themselves in Europe.

What a fantastic 'nail on head' post that is Khalekan. Every word of it is true, relevant and straight to the point.
I am one of those to whom you refer as passing on the knowledge and the repercussions of Heysel to my children and I trust they too will pass on said knowledge in the future.
It seems rather strange that a club which chooses to remember Hillsborough with such dignity and reverence (and rightly so) would rather airbrush the Heysel Stadium disaster from history.
Double standards in the extreme.

 

[4737carlin]

Also, as has been said a lot here, randomly throwing around JFT96 really cheapens what that slogan is about. Like, someone randomly posted JFT96 in a thread about Barcelona and I asked wtf Barcelona had to do with Hillsborough.

I find it particularly sick when people on Twitter have JT96 in either there user name or actual name on there, a human tragedy and they trivialise it turning into into some meaningless football slogan. Disgusting.

 

[4737carlin]