Duncan Ferguson the coach

[degsy]

It seems that Duncan has kept a role in the dugout. I love him of course for his love of Everton but is this the right move. Has he been protected by Kenwright?

Could well be. Hired as a near bankrupt charity case about 5yrs ago.
Time to assess on his merits now.

Hopefully Baxter leaving (after having had his card marked?) is a sign of more to come.
Harsh but needed

 

[Frang]

Same with all the others who WERE sacked though.

As said, he's seen by Kenwright/Moshiri as a "touch stone" figure./...something he really isn't, and he does not carry the credibility they attribute to him and impress upon new managers.

It's a joke.

what about unsworth?

 

[everton1953]

Just maybe it is essential to have a degree of continuity so that somebody is retained who can tell 5 Portuguese fellas which player is which and who they should bin or give another chance to. Don't give me any crap that all the junk players we have are well known in Portugal.

On another tack, nobody on here has a flying clue how well or otherwise Duncan has performed in his role. Don't pretend you do, so back off from suggesting he should get the chop, along with the well known culprits who have been deservedly axed. If the Portuguese either don't need him, don't like him, don't understand him, then in due course he will have to go.

So there, rant over.

 

[Jreverton1]

Same with all the others who WERE sacked though.

As said, he's seen by Kenwright/Moshiri as a "touch stone" figure./...something he really isn't, and he does not carry the credibility they attribute to him and impress upon new managers.

It's a joke.

I agree Dave. He was an icon in an era when we were properly rubbish, a man who got the club and gave his all, came up with some important goals but as a coach I'm not sure. If we win something this year then obviously I will put it solely down to him

 

[Black Belt Jones]

On another tack, nobody on here has a flying clue how well or otherwise Duncan has performed in his role. Don't pretend you do, so back off from suggesting he should get the chop, along with the well known culprits who have been deservedly axed. If the Portuguese either don't need him, don't like him, don't understand him, then in due course he will have to go.

So there, rant over.

The team's been mince for four years mate. Duncan is the first team coach. So why do you think no one has a clue about his performance? It is the opposite - every Everton fan here has complete clarity on his performance. Because we've seen the results first hand at Goodison park for a few seasons now and they are total shabite.

Unless you think he can't be held responsible for this consistent failure, because that's not his role? He's just a mascot laying out the cones. This is fine as far as it goes, but there comes a point when being associated with such a string of busted regimes starts to look pretty silly.

 

[Tel001]

to be fair all these players have down tools more than once under various managers

Baines?

 

[lancs blue]

Dave Watson has more credibility than dunc. Act of charity rather than common sense. Just sits in dug out not wanting ro be there. Should be grabbing players by the neck. Abit of gbh on touchline is allowed

 

[Walken]

Could well be. Hired as a near bankrupt charity case about 5yrs ago.
Time to assess on his merits now.

Hopefully Baxter leaving (after having had his card marked?) is a sign of more to come.
Harsh but needed

I reckon absolutely none of the things you mentioned are connected and it should be left up to brands/silva

 

[buededw1]

There is no rational reason for Ferguson to remain on the staff, as much as I like the guy. If we transitioning from a successful manager and coaching staff, you could argue that Ferguson could provide some continuity, but he has been part and parcel of regimes that can be regarded as nothing other than absolute failures.

Clearly Brands and Silva were briefed in advance that he is staying on, a bit like fixtures and fittings when you buy a house. I imagine both of them are too consumed with other things to raise any objection, but I can't see him playing a role of any significance. It would surely be better for him to try and cut it in a new environment rather than the comfort blanket that Everton all too easily seem to be willing to provide.

It's no big deal but it doesn't smack of the lean and mean club I'd like to see us become. Nothing against Duncan, but he is a square peg in that dugout.

The rational is he could be a great coach.

 

[everton1953]

The team's been mince for four years mate. Duncan is the first team coach. So why do you think no one has a clue about his performance? It is the opposite - every Everton fan here has complete clarity on his performance. Because we've seen the results first hand at Goodison park for a few seasons now and they are total shabite.

Unless you think he can't be held responsible for this consistent failure, because that's not his role? He's just a mascot laying out the cones. This is fine as far as it goes, but there comes a point when being associated with such a string of busted regimes starts to look pretty silly.

No, I said no one on here (including you) have a clue regarding his performance or lack of it. Whoever on the inside decided he should stay presumably does have a clue and acted accordingly.

Similarly, presumably Unsworth has not carried too much blame for some of the flops he has allowed to percolate up to the first team squad. It is all a matter of degree. The primary people responsible for our decline have been sacked, Koeman, his brother and Walsh. That does not include the two Sams who were not responsible for our decline and did what they were paid to do. For the time being the purging appears to be over. As always time will tell.

 

[degsy]

I reckon absolutely none of the things you mentioned are connected and it should be left up to brands/silva

The question was Ferguson / Kenwright, I offered my take on it, so connected.

 

[Walken]

The team's been mince for four years mate. Duncan is the first team coach. So why do you think no one has a clue about his performance? It is the opposite - every Everton fan here has complete clarity on his performance. Because we've seen the results first hand at Goodison park for a few seasons now and they are total shabite.

Unless you think he can't be held responsible for this consistent failure, because that's not his role? He's just a mascot laying out the cones. This is fine as far as it goes, but there comes a point when being associated with such a string of busted regimes starts to look pretty silly.

Chris Hughton survived several managers at spurs, Terry McDermott survived several at Newcastle, both were respected and neither treated to level of scrutiny by fans or the level of accountability based on match day performance as that level of accountability to a first team coach is mental. That is also the term, he is a first team coach not THE first team coach, making it sound like he is solely responsible for first team performance, or your only offered alternative is he lays cones, frankly that post smells of preconceived agenda

 

[Walken]

The question was Ferguson / Kenwright, I offered my take on it, so connected.

Connections based on unqualified assumptions

 

[degsy]

Connections based on unqualified assumptions

Not quite so, based on reports at the time.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Give him one of the youth teams now so we can see what he's got.

I'd also bring Unsworth into the 1st team staff. Think he should be in and around it now.
I would have liked to have seen him as the number 2.

Based on what? Unsworth doing a good job at youth level doesn't mean he'd be of value around the first team. If Ferguson and Unsworth are considered to be doing their current jobs well then what is to be gained from switching them around?

Personally I'd like to see whoever Marco Silva see's as the best fit for the role as the number 2.