Doom and Gloom.

[Neiler]

I held fire after the game yesterday, as i listend to it on the raido, but after watching it last night i have to say that many of the doom and gloom comments about our performence, Moyes Tactics, etc are extreamly harsh.

West Ham played some great stuff yesterday and were dangerous, but for me we looked strong and resiliant in the face of anything they could throw at us which we havnt in previous games. Away games are all about containmnet of the home side and being clinical if you get oppurtunites that we certainly were.

Personaly i am encouraged with yesterdays performence, you saw some great qualities in the Everton side resiliance, comitment and being clinical. I was immensely pleased with the expierence showed in getting a result yesterday which imo was telling in nicking the game.

Im scratching my head in terms of some of the comments i read here after the game yesterday, i thought Cahill had a great game in midfiled very dogged, commited and made some important tackles for me he very much led the team yesterday and i think some of the charicter and desire in his play in some ways dictated the result.

Saha too, even before the golas, i thought he played extreamly well in terms of the context of his games thus far, a very comited performence some of his movement into channells and his desire were fantatic through out the game, and his goals topped it of.

Lescott for me had his best game of the season yesterday i thought he was strong, positive, resiliant and comitted and played extreanly well, it looks like he is coming back into a bit of form, and i think the fact he got a goal and was available in the box in many ways dictated his performence.

I have to say although our midfeild still was poor centrally it looked better balanced with Rodwell in the side, we have a great player on our hands here, and he could be the force we are looking for creatively centrally, he does get a couple of chances in games doesnt he. I would almost be tempted to go with a Fellini, Rodwell, Cahill partnership against Boro.

So in actual fact i think yesterday was one of our best performences of the season, if you know your football, containment, resilance, and being clinical are vital components in terms off winning rainy away games. For me i thought yesterdays performence was immense and personaly i dont think we were lucky in any way, i feel i can take more positives out of yesterdays games then negatives, and in terms of performences i am encouraged about yesterday rather then any other this season. Notable good performences where also Vic Vaghan, and Howard.

I havent felt like saying that we have turned a corner after our previous wins, but i beleive after yesterday i think we have, after the game you could see what the result meant to the players.

So less of the doom and gloom about yesterdays performence as for me it was an extreamly, resiliant, committed and clinical performece. I am extramly pleased with how we played yesteday in the context of our form up to this point in our season.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

West Ham played some great stuff yesterday and were dangerous, but for me we looked strong and resiliant in the face of anything they could throw at us which we havnt in previous games. Away games are all about containmnet of the home side and being clinical if you get oppurtunites that we certainly were.

Spot on, a few weeks ago we would have lost resoundingly. Our defence looks back to normal, backs against the wall when needs be. They only scored through a very well worked goal.

People are also quick to forget we were without Fellaini, Pienaar and Yak.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

When we didn't have the ball we were generally ok. The West Ham goal was very well crafted and praise to them for that.

When we had the ball however we couldn't string half a dozen passes together. As you mentioned, away football is partly about containment and a major component of that is keeping the ball. We failed miserably in that regard for 90% of the game. Considering we had 5 in midfield there were precious few players open for the pass, which often led to it going back to the defence who went long.

I really hoped that the second half at Man Utd would see us kick on performance wise. We had pace and precision to our game in that 45 minute period. Since then however we've been largely poor. Of course we can take comfort in grinding out points but we'll need some big improvements in our performance if we want to get into the European slots this season.

It seems like we're stuck between two ends of the spectrum at the moment. On the one hand you have the dogs of war approach that makes us hard to break down, good defensively and aiming to snatch wins ala the 4th place season. On the other you have us trying to push on and be a force like we were in Europe last year. It seemed early in the season that Moyes was trying to get us moving on from last year in the way we performed, and our defence didn't cope. Now we've reverted back to the hard to beat battlers of yore.

Hopefully sooner rather than later Moyes will find the way to add craft to endeavour and get us playing well whilst remaining hard to beat.

 

[keverton]

I held fire after the game yesterday, as i listend to it on the raido, but after watching it last night i have to say that many of the doom and gloom comments about our performence, Moyes Tactics, etc are extreamly harsh.

West Ham played some great stuff yesterday and were dangerous, but for me we looked strong and resiliant in the face of anything they could throw at us which we havnt in previous games. Away games are all about containmnet of the home side and being clinical if you get oppurtunites that we certainly were.

Personaly i am encouraged with yesterdays performence, you saw some great qualities in the Everton side resiliance, comitment and being clinical. I was immensely pleased with the expierence showed in getting a result yesterday which imo was telling in nicking the game.

Im scratching my head in terms of some of the comments i read here after the game yesterday, i thought Cahill had a great game in midfiled very dogged, commited and made some important tackles for me he very much led the team yesterday and i think some of the charicter and desire in his play in some ways dictated the result.

Saha too, even before the golas, i thought he played extreamly well in terms of the context of his games thus far, a very comited performence some of his movement into channells and his desire were fantatic through out the game, and his goals topped it of.

Lescott for me had his best game of the season yesterday i thought he was strong, positive, resiliant and comitted and played extreanly well, it looks like he is coming back into a bit of form, and i think the fact he got a goal and was available in the box in many ways dictated his performence.

I have to say although our midfeild still was poor centrally it looked better balanced with Rodwell in the side, we have a great player on our hands here, and he could be the force we are looking for creatively centrally, he does get a couple of chances in games doesnt he. I would almost be tempted to go with a Fellini, Rodwell, Cahill partnership against Boro.

So in actual fact i think yesterday was one of our best performences of the season, if you know your football, containment, resilance, and being clinical are vital components in terms off winning rainy away games. For me i thought yesterdays performence was immense and personaly i dont think we were lucky in any way, i feel i can take more positives out of yesterdays games then negatives, and in terms of performences i am encouraged about yesterday rather then any other this season. Notable good performences where also Vic Vaghan, and Howard.

I havent felt like saying that we have turned a corner after our previous wins, but i beleive after yesterday i think we have, after the game you could see what the result meant to the players.

So less of the doom and gloom about yesterdays performence as for me it was an extreamly, resiliant, committed and clinical performece. I am extramly pleased with how we played yesteday in the context of our form up to this point in our season.

I tip my hat to you sir

 

[bobbyrob]

I held fire after the game yesterday, as i listend to it on the raido, but after watching it last night i have to say that many of the doom and gloom comments about our performence, Moyes Tactics, etc are extreamly harsh.

West Ham played some great stuff yesterday and were dangerous, but for me we looked strong and resiliant in the face of anything they could throw at us which we havnt in previous games. Away games are all about containmnet of the home side and being clinical if you get oppurtunites that we certainly were.

Personaly i am encouraged with yesterdays performence, you saw some great qualities in the Everton side resiliance, comitment and being clinical. I was immensely pleased with the expierence showed in getting a result yesterday which imo was telling in nicking the game.

Im scratching my head in terms of some of the comments i read here after the game yesterday, i thought Cahill had a great game in midfiled very dogged, commited and made some important tackles for me he very much led the team yesterday and i think some of the charicter and desire in his play in some ways dictated the result.

Saha too, even before the golas, i thought he played extreamly well in terms of the context of his games thus far, a very comited performence some of his movement into channells and his desire were fantatic through out the game, and his goals topped it of.

Lescott for me had his best game of the season yesterday i thought he was strong, positive, resiliant and comitted and played extreanly well, it looks like he is coming back into a bit of form, and i think the fact he got a goal and was available in the box in many ways dictated his performence.

I have to say although our midfeild still was poor centrally it looked better balanced with Rodwell in the side, we have a great player on our hands here, and he could be the force we are looking for creatively centrally, he does get a couple of chances in games doesnt he. I would almost be tempted to go with a Fellini, Rodwell, Cahill partnership against Boro.

So in actual fact i think yesterday was one of our best performences of the season, if you know your football, containment, resilance, and being clinical are vital components in terms off winning rainy away games. For me i thought yesterdays performence was immense and personaly i dont think we were lucky in any way, i feel i can take more positives out of yesterdays games then negatives, and in terms of performences i am encouraged about yesterday rather then any other this season. Notable good performences where also Vic Vaghan, and Howard.

I havent felt like saying that we have turned a corner after our previous wins, but i beleive after yesterday i think we have, after the game you could see what the result meant to the players.

So less of the doom and gloom about yesterdays performence as for me it was an extreamly, resiliant, committed and clinical performece. I am extramly pleased with how we played yesteday in the context of our form up to this point in our season.

well said and agree with everytihng you said

 

[Dutch Toffee]

I held fire after the game yesterday, as i listend to it on the raido, but after watching it last night i have to say that many of the doom and gloom comments about our performence, Moyes Tactics, etc are extreamly harsh.

West Ham played some great stuff yesterday and were dangerous, but for me we looked strong and resiliant in the face of anything they could throw at us which we havnt in previous games. Away games are all about containmnet of the home side and being clinical if you get oppurtunites that we certainly were.

Personaly i am encouraged with yesterdays performence, you saw some great qualities in the Everton side resiliance, comitment and being clinical. I was immensely pleased with the expierence showed in getting a result yesterday which imo was telling in nicking the game.

Im scratching my head in terms of some of the comments i read here after the game yesterday, i thought Cahill had a great game in midfiled very dogged, commited and made some important tackles for me he very much led the team yesterday and i think some of the charicter and desire in his play in some ways dictated the result.

Saha too, even before the golas, i thought he played extreamly well in terms of the context of his games thus far, a very comited performence some of his movement into channells and his desire were fantatic through out the game, and his goals topped it of.

Lescott for me had his best game of the season yesterday i thought he was strong, positive, resiliant and comitted and played extreanly well, it looks like he is coming back into a bit of form, and i think the fact he got a goal and was available in the box in many ways dictated his performence.

I have to say although our midfeild still was poor centrally it looked better balanced with Rodwell in the side, we have a great player on our hands here, and he could be the force we are looking for creatively centrally, he does get a couple of chances in games doesnt he. I would almost be tempted to go with a Fellini, Rodwell, Cahill partnership against Boro.

So in actual fact i think yesterday was one of our best performences of the season, if you know your football, containment, resilance, and being clinical are vital components in terms off winning rainy away games. For me i thought yesterdays performence was immense and personaly i dont think we were lucky in any way, i feel i can take more positives out of yesterdays games then negatives, and in terms of performences i am encouraged about yesterday rather then any other this season. Notable good performences where also Vic Vaghan, and Howard.

I havent felt like saying that we have turned a corner after our previous wins, but i beleive after yesterday i think we have, after the game you could see what the result meant to the players.

So less of the doom and gloom about yesterdays performence as for me it was an extreamly, resiliant, committed and clinical performece. I am extramly pleased with how we played yesteday in the context of our form up to this point in our season.

Post of the day, needs some beating after this.

 

[Neiler]

Post of the day, needs some beating after this.

Ha ha you negative repped me mate!

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Ha ha you negative repped me mate!

I know. Don't know how that happened. Send you a pm. Will make it up to you. but can't give you any rep at the moment. Have to spread it around. Sorry!

 

[Neiler]

I know. Don't know how that happened. Send you a pm. Will make it up to you. but can't give you any rep at the moment. Have to spread it around. Sorry!

Ha ha no worries mate, im sure i deserve it for some other posts!

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Deleted it

 

[Vim Fuego]

I'm in full agreement with you Neil, we are slowly but surely re-establishing our self belief and never say die attitude.We are playing with a heavy dose of caution in our game lately, but that's to be expected given the horrendous start to the season. I wonder what the neg heads would say if we played smooth flowing football against Boro next Sunday yet ending up losing to a last minute goal ! There is undoubtably room for improvement, but it's obvious to me that we are on the right road to recovery,top post Neil.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Deleted it

Thanks

 

[Nebbiolo]

I'm in full agreement with you Neil, we are slowly but surely re-establishing our self belief and never say die attitude.We are playing with a heavy dose of caution in our game lately, but that's to be expected given the horrendous start to the season. I wonder what the neg heads would say if we played smooth flowing football against Boro next Sunday yet ending up losing to a last minute goal ! There is undoubtably room for improvement, but it's obvious to me that we are on the right road to recovery,top post Neil.

It shows just how much luck is involved. We've taken 9 points and probably didn't deserve more than five. But, that's how football works. Get the rub of the green and confidence shoots up markedly. I'm confident that we've turned the corner now. Okay, we're not world-beaters but we'll do enough this season to hustle our way into Europe. FACT!

Oh yeah, and the Boro game will be my first game of the season. So we'd better beat the bastards. Upper Bullens, here I come! b)

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I thought we where [Poor language removed], almost embarassing at times to be honest. It's not all doom and gloom with me either, I've praised Moyes and the team at times when others haven't this season.

When there's something there to praise I'll praise but for me it's about being realistic. We still look very cagey, where giving the ball away constantly and there's no shape to the team. Despite the wins I'm still not that confident going into games. That's just my opinion.

What I will praise is the never say die attitude, you can't fault that at the moment. From Moyes and the players. It's just about brushing up on our performances really. I'm hoping it will come sooner rather than later. If we improve the quality we'll be right up there as we have very capable players in most areas.

 

[Nebbiolo]

I thought we where [Poor language removed], almost embarassing at times to be honest. It's not all doom and gloom with me either, I've praised Moyes and the team at times when others haven't this season.

When there's something there to praise I'll praise but for me it's about being realistic. We still look very cagey, where giving the ball away constantly and there's no shape to the team. Despite the wins I'm still not that confident going into games. That's just my opinion.

What I will praise is the never say die attitude, you can't fault that at the moment. From Moyes and the players. It's just about brushing up on our performances really. I'm hoping it will come sooner rather than later. If we improve the quality we'll be right up there as we have very capable players in most areas.

TB, I really think the bloody awful summer we had set everything back. It's like we've been playing our warm up games in the season rather than in pre-season. Moyes must take most of the blame because it was he that dithered and sulked for three months, then went into a panic at the last minute and brought in players that were not even on his radar at the end of last season. But I can see signs that Moyes has started to put all the crap behind him and is getting back to what he does best, which is motivating. Given that he will no doubt have each and every player at the peak of fitness very soon, I think there might be reason to be optimistic now.

Okay, so he's always going to baffle us with tactics and the like, but he does have strengths elsewhere (see above). If we can make it to Xmas and still be in the top 7 then I'm totally confident that we'll finish the season on a high.