Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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BirkenheadBlue
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1) commenting on current events does not mean you are a news program - it’s observational comedy
2) calling out someone spending $31k of taxpayers’ money on decorating their office, decrying “false-flaggers” or highlighting a guy accessing the highest level of secure information for over a year without clearance isn’t (or shouldn’t be seen as) partisan.
dholliday
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True. But that doesn't contradict my point. The conservative side also feel they have justified criticisms of the other team.
dholliday
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1) it's news because they are always featured in online news publications' front pages everytime they say something critical of Trump/Brexit etc. They know this and feed the news. It's a cynical business model rather than true observational comedy.
2) those are specific issues. I'm not talking about specific issues (there's plenty of those from the other perspective too), I'm talking about generally: both sides are at it.
BirkenheadBlue
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There’s nothing inherently wrong with conservatism. It’s (for the most part) not where my views lie, but that’s fine.
What the “Right” has become in America in the last decade is far from anything that would have been recognised as conservatism. When you throw in your lot with (and indeed embrace) the malignant factions that have become the driving force there, you don’t get to claim moral equivalence anymore.
dholliday
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Honestly you could write the exact same sentence when referring to the Left's regressive push for identity politics, which dominates media, culture and education.
The problem is both sides don't admit they're as bad (and indeed as good) as each other. So they'll never be harmony, or even workable compromises. Most people see through this now, and are forming their ideas in the middle.
BirkenheadBlue
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You could... it would be pretty obtuse, but I guess you COULD
Jesus wept... Yeah.. it’s the left that has the regressive, damaging identity politics.
David Duke, Richard Spencer, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, Jeff Sessions, Roy Moore and Donald Trump say hi.
The current incarnation of the US right is ALL ABOUT identity politics - it’s just a very narrow band of identities that they’re interested in.
Being against the oppression of traditionally minority and disenfranchised groups isn’t identity politics. Or if it is, it certainly isn’t “regressive”.
dholliday
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Well there you go...both sides are at it.
That is a very pro-Left interpretation of what's going on.
I disagree. That is a screen shot of a newspaper that is covering (strangely, in my opinion) comedy/entertainment shows. Comedy/entertainment shows are free to parody whomever they like, and it is usually politics--particularly when politics have gone haywire, as they have in Trump's administration; but Colbert, Noah, et al., are not trying to be journalists. As to why The Guardian covers these shows, I do find it strange and annoying (as a long time Guardian reader), because it seems that they are just looking for additional ways to swipe at Trump--there are plenty of real ways to cover his corrupt presidency without resorting to looking at late night television comedy/entertainment shows. But the shows by Colbert, Kimmel, Noah, are not news as they make no a priori commitment to a journalistic creed ("fair and balanced" "facts first") and are not categorized as news; they are categorized as "talk shows" "news satire" and "entertainment."
You can still make your point that the news is biased by focusing on NYTimes, Washington Post, CNN, etc., as others do. And you can also make a case that folks will claim to get their news from The Daily Show, Colbert, etc., but that doesn't make those shows news in and of themselves.
BirkenheadBlue
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I'm not saying the left doesn't have its problems, of course it does. Particularly in some of the fringe elements.
That's not the same as saying "they're both as bad as each other"... I'd have agreed with that statement not so very long ago. The way the GOP (which for all intents and purposes is synonymous with The Right in the US) has been co-opted by some pretty reprehensible factions in more recent years has rendered that no longer the case.
Balance is great. False equivalence is not.
They make the news because of some of the stuff they say and do on their show but they do not claim to be nor are they advertised as news.
I am not sure they care about feeding the press either.
Comedians are about ratings and popularity. Most of the guys featured in your screenshot openly admitted Trump and his administration is an easy target and he makes it easy for them to mock him. In fact most comedians who feature on TV have been using Trump material because it works even with some on the right who don't like Trump i bet admit to laughing at some of it.
If they happen to get passionate about something that then features in a news article then so be it. But i doubt that's their intention.
Like i said all they care about is people watching them.
On a side note: Colbert who has better ratings than most of them and who always mocks Trump is a registered Republican and has admitted in the past of voting for Republican candidates.
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Obviously I disagree that it is obtuse. We should probably start a "Far Left" thread to track absurdities.
Yesterday, Christine Sommers was prevented from speaking at Lewis and Clark's law school (with passive support for the shutdown by administration) and called her a fascist for discussing statistics underlying the gender wage gap. This is happening at colleges all over the country on a weekly basis, unfortunately. Even worse, the schools make little effort to stop the opposition to free speech, and in many instances prevent the speech themselves or otherwise outright enable students to do so.
Meanwhile progressives took to Twitter to try and defend Congressman Danny Davis, who openly supports the notorious anti-semite Louis Farrakhan. This follows the undisclosed photo from the press of Obama and Farrakhan that was no doubt intentionally kept from the public. Farrakhan is the epitome of an identity-politics mainstay, and yet, the left is extremely reluctant to renounce him.
Also yesterday, the founder of Everytown (anti-gun organization), waged a Twitter campaign against a Jewish writer being targeted by white supremacists on account of the lady buying a gun. The founder, Shannon Watts, is white. She accused the targeted Jewish writer of white privilege...for buying a gun to protect herself from actual Nazis.
These are just a couple of anecdotal examples, but this stuff happens everyday, involving "serious" people on the left, and they're indicative of the left's present themes of waging political war over immutable characteristics (sex, race).
wait, what??
Those are the exact words Dana Loesch used whilst going on the offensive against Shannon Watts.
Also curious why you didn't mention the name of the "Jewish writer". Or post a link?
Is it because the "Jewish writer" is a well known conservative columnist who appears on fox new regularly and has been known to do op ed for the NRA also.
I am not excusing anyone who attacks or tries to defame anyone online by the way. If Shannon Watts got ahead of herself then well she is open to criticism.
But looking it up the only ones that think this is something are conservative groups. They are the ones attacking Watt's since she made whatever remarks triggered them.
Whats mad is you stated your post saying how schools deny free speech and then get upset that one woman dislikes another woman and made comments about her online because of her political and gun views.
Both women need to tone it down and relax a little. Ironically both of them have been threatened by the same/similar people at some point over the last few months.
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