Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Serious question to anyone supporting Trump - should his comments on women not automatically rule him out of being president? Never mind everything else...

I don't support or have any time for Trump but his personal opinions as odious as you or I might find them should not rule him out of being President. The only beliefs that should ever rule sombody out of running for any public office is the desire to do harm to others or direct encouragement in others to do so. I just find it simply staggering that he was successful in running to be President after making those comments among others things. What SHOULD of been a factor preventing him from running to be President is his actual inability to do the dam job, that and his mental instability!

 

[Ruairi77]

Serious question to anyone supporting Trump - should his comments on women not automatically rule him out of being president? Never mind everything else...

or his mocking of the disabled, I thought that would be it.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

I don't support or have any time for Trump but his personal opinions as odious as you or I might find them should not rule him out of being President.

The only beliefs that should ever rule sombody out of running for any public office is the desire to do harm to others or direct encouragement in others to do so.

I think they are one and the same to be honest - we have to judge a leader on their character within which their belief system is pretty integral I think.

or his mocking of the disabled, I thought that would be it.

Yes - I forgot that!

 

[LinekersLegs]

Going to be interesting to see how these tariffs impact both the economy and his supporters views

Foos, who voted for Trump, is exactly the kind of heartland manufacturer who should be the president’s base. Now he’s frustrated. The supposedly pro-business administration isn’t listening to growth-oriented entrepreneurs like him. Instead, it’s siding with big companies that are substituting political influence for investment and value-creation.

"I think people hear, 'Make America Great,' and they think bringing jobs back to America. What jobs is this going to bring back?" says Foos. "It's going to improve the aluminum manufacturers’ bottom line. It's not going to improve it because they got better, or they got more efficient, or they figured out a better way to do it. It's going to be because they've been able to raise their price and fill their mills, because people don't have choices anymore."

For instance the washing machine tariff might ultimately mean that Whirlpool hire more workers but anyone who is looking to buy a washing machine will likely see an increase in prices.

 

[Pettifogger]

No he sold it by calling Mexicans rapists etc. He demonized Mexican people at every turn during the campaign. His supporters lapped it up and chanted 'build the wall'.

Regardless, I simply can't fathom how a fiscal conservative could even possibly justify an $18 billion spend on something that would be a completely ineffective waste of money which would also only sour relations with our allies from the south.

Demonizing the largest immigrant segment of our population could very well lead to radicalized behavior. It's a terrible statement to do so and this president has pulled no punches in making Mexican immigrants appear to be an evil in this country.

He sold it exactly as I stated. That you need to selectively partition some of that out to sell your argument is your own business, but your contention is inaccurate nonetheless.

Your points about spending are reasonable, your argument that the wall would be ineffective is without support and your argument that it would sour relations with Mexico is of little consequence, at least to me.

Spending 18 billion to secure the borders of the country is a proper role of the federal government. More so than say, spending 43 billion on ACA subsidies, or spending untold billions on the support for people arriving here illegally (more reputable estimates appear to peg this figure somewhere between 12 and 85 billion).

 

[Pettifogger]

Wait, what? Trump has been quoted specifically (and inaccurately) as demonizing Mexicans by calling the majority of them "drug dealers" and you said of his quote that it was "particularly accurate." This drug-dealer ascription is exactly the definition of demonization--to label a group as wicked and threatening. But now you are suggesting that if others find your support of Trump and his idiotic wall to be a "demonization of Mexicans," that we are "childish."

Okay...I guess we are childish??

As always, I'm puzzled by your reasoning, but then again you are someone who uses as a personal metric of self-honesty the ability to unabashedly proclaim "Haiti is a shithole," and can say without a hint of sarcasm that the USA has universal health care because poor people can walk into any emergency room/walk-in clinics, get treatment, and not go to jail if they can't pay their bills.

So I guess I'm not surprised.

When someone claims that support for the wall is inherent demonization of Mexicans, yes, I think that's childish. It's the product of a) deranged anger at Trump and anyone who doesn't join in the #resistance and b) a myopic worldview whereby any policy proposal that Trump supports can have no other justification other than the WORST comments made by Trump in relation to said policy proposal. So yes, I think it's childish. I didn't personally attack anyone as "childish," that's just something you all infer whenever someone breaks from the hive.

 

[Pettifogger]

Serious question to anyone supporting Trump - should his comments on women not automatically rule him out of being president? Never mind everything else...

His general crassness is what kept a lot of conservatives from supporting him. Some of them ended up not voting for him.

 

[Pettifogger]

Any idea of the cost per year of illegal immigration to the US ?

If more than the cost of a wall then they may consider it justified.

The other poster is correct in saying it's pretty much impossible to gauge. Of course, I disagree that it is somehow definite that the cost doesn't exceed 18b. There are a large number of studies and estimates to indicate that it likely does.

 

[Ruairi77]

Going to be interesting to see how these tariffs impact both the economy and his supporters views


For instance the washing machine tariff might ultimately mean that Whirlpool hire more workers but anyone who is looking to buy a washing machine will likely see an increase in prices.

It's worth keeping an eye on the dollar, if it's value drops, US exports would be cheaper and imports more expensive, add tariffs to these imports and you have a trade war on your hands. The Chinese have plenty of cards to play if the US start intentionally damaging their export market.
Some might say 'all's fair in love and war' but I just don't see the US coming out well in a trade war with China.

 

[Pettifogger]

It's worth keeping an eye on the dollar, if it's value drops, US exports would be cheaper and imports more expensive, add tariffs to these imports and you have a trade war on your hands. The Chinese have plenty of cards to play if the US start intentionally damaging their export market.
Some might say 'all's fair in love and war' but I just don't see the US coming out well in a trade war with China.

This is a big divide between many on the libertarian-leaning right and Trump. A lot of Trump supporters have fallen in line and now celebrate Trump's protectionist slant, but not all.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I think they are one and the same to be honest - we have to judge a leader on their character within which their belief system is pretty integral I think.

And we can vote for and against people based on their character and belief system can we not? There is a massive difference between thoroughly disliking sombody, all the views they hold and everything they stand for to saying that because you dislike all of the above about said person that they should be denied the right to run for office. If you don't approve, don't vote for him. It's as simple as that in a democratic society but I think it wrong to deny sombody the right to run for office based on my contempt of their beliefs and character. I do question if Trump should of been allowed to stand for office based on his mental fragility and general lack of intelligence though.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

And we can for for and against people based on their character and belief system can we not? There is a massive difference between thoroughly disliking sombody, all the views they hold and everything they stand for to saying that because you dislike all of the above about said person that they should be denied the right to run for office. If you don't approve, don't vote for him. It's as simple as that in a democratic society but I think it wrong to deny sombody the right to run for office based on my contempt of their beliefs and character. I do question if Trump should of been allowed to stand for office based on his mental fragility and general lack of intelligence though.

Yes sorry good point. I accept I'm confusing the two a little here. It's like the argument generally on free speech. At what point do you stop someone expressing an opinion that is abhorrent to the majority without impacting the basic individual rights that define a free country.

Perhaps the easier argument to make is that I cannot imagine how any woman in America - not to mention men with even an ounce of common respect for the opposite sex - could ever vote for Trump.

 

[Pettifogger]

Yes sorry good point. I accept I'm confusing the two a little here. It's like the argument generally on free speech. At what point do you stop someone expressing an opinion that is abhorrent to the majority without impacting the basic individual rights that define a free country.

Perhaps the easier argument to make is that I cannot imagine how any woman in America - not to mention men with even an ounce of common respect for the opposite sex - could ever vote for Trump.

It's tradition in the US.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

It's tradition in the US.

Care to expand? I am certainly aware that a number of previous presidents have not exactly been saints but there's surely a world of difference in this respect?

 

[Ruairi77]

Yes sorry good point. I accept I'm confusing the two a little here. It's like the argument generally on free speech. At what point do you stop someone expressing an opinion that is abhorrent to the majority without impacting the basic individual rights that define a free country.

Perhaps the easier argument to make is that I cannot imagine how any woman in America - not to mention men with even an ounce of common respect for the opposite sex - could ever vote for Trump.

yup and yet 54% of white women who voted, voted for him. I have female friends with daughters who voted for him, I still cant wrap my head around it. These days, they still seem to support him, all I get is, 'well, he's a bit childish and I wish he'd stop tweeting'. All twitter does is offer a window into the morons mind. To close that window is to bury your head in the sand.
The whole 'shooting someone on 5th ave' still stands strong. The brainwashing power of the right is awesome in the real sense of the word.