Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Ruairi77]

Of course I don't, which I've already stated. But no constructive discussion can be had.

I can say "I find him unpresidential, I think he's arrogant and ridiculous." But if I don't call him evil, and point out that I support the tax cut policy and the Gorsuch nomination and so forth, folks lose their mind. He's great or he's evil. He's the best President ever or he's the worst. It's amazing how the most polarized sides of the Trump coin will do exactly what the other does and defend their dishonesty as righteous.

I fundamentally disagree that cutting taxes and cutting regulations won't serve us well. And that's ok, we can fundamentally disagree. But those are significant achievements for his ideological base, and thus, he's not an "abject failure." Obama, who I largely despise, wasn't either. He ushered in a sweeping (and I think massively destructive) policy overhaul that his base fought hard for. That's not a political failure, as bad as I think it is for the country.

Yea, I've no problem disagreeing over supreme court picks (though McConnels treatment of Obamas pick was outrageous) or tax cuts. I think a corporate tax cut was coming anyway even if the Republicans didn't control both legislative and executive branches. All Trump added was loopholes like the estate tax.
For me he acts as a leader to those who support him and that's it. He has no interest in being president of the whole country, that shows in his popularity rating and, for me, that makes him a failure of a president.

oh, and the constant pathological lying

and the racism
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

 

[SteveSC]

The "Muslim ban" (which wasn't) was pretty absurd in my view. As much as I think it is constitutionally invalid to propose a ban on religion, a "Muslim ban" is far more practically reasonable than what was actually rolled out by the administration. I think it was largely a solution in search of a problem.

But the original contention is that the ban was a sign of Trump's racism. I think that's absurd. Fear mongering? Overbroad? Ignorant? Far better allegations to level, IMO.

Erm i believe you just contradicted yourself but ok.

Now even if it is all a game and he is fear mongering or whatever people want to justify it he needs to realise he is the President and it doesn't look good when the majority of the media slams you as does the majority of the worlds media and well 50% of the citizens living here


The more he keeps it up with this type of stuff (below) he will be known as a racist....

Of the public factual items that cannot be disputed of him....

The evidence suggest he is. From his own mouth and his own typed word he has slammed Muslim's and Muslim nations. He has been derogatory towards Hispanics labeling them all Mexican and calling them all criminals and rapists.
He generally refers to them all as being members of ms13 also.
He even decided a judge couldn't be fair because what would he know he was Mexican.
He took out ads in the late 80's accusing 5 Latin men of rape asking for the death penalty after they were acquitted because of DNA evidence he still insisted they were guilty. 10 years later he even doubled down on it.
The whole birther thing about Obama.
Always referring to the inner cities as war zones and hell holes and exaggerated crime stats several times
Always conveniently getting into spats with black celebrities and athletes.
Pardoning Joe Apairo
The whole good people on the other side in Charlottesville.

Then there are the leaked/reported stuff...
Like his comments on Haitians and Africans going back to their mud huts.

If this above was stuff said by a regular person in your life you would swerve them so quickly. If you had a grandmother who said this stuff you would apologize for her. If you had a neighbour who was like this i am sure you would be cordial and respectful but stay away from right?

It doesn't matter whether you don't think he is but when there are enough comments and evidence from himself its enough to make people think he is.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Pettifogger]

Yea, I've no problem disagreeing over supreme court picks (though McConnels treatment of Obamas pick was outrageous) or tax cuts. I think a corporate tax cut was coming anyway even if the Republicans didn't control both legislative and executive branches. All Trump added was loopholes like the estate tax.
For me he acts as a leader to those who support him and that's it. He has no interest in being president of the whole country, that shows in his popularity rating and, for me, that makes him a failure of a president.

oh, and the constant pathological lying

and the racism
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

Is anyone interested in being leader of the entire country? I think it's a nice thing to hope for, but I think it's unlikely in a polarized environment such as this, at least on a national level. I think any argument that Obama sought to represent a broad swath of Americans, given his background, is strained at best. The one thing I'll say for Obama is that on a political level, he often struck the right tone in public addresses. It's just that his policy efforts never really reflected anything but disdain for citizens of a different political persuasion. Trump doesn't hit that tone, IMO. But I do think, as of now, the left is gleeful about those approval ratings and will be so to their peril.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Superb that mate and a great present , that’ll be brilliant I’m sure . I’ll be interested to know how much doesn’t make the edit on stuff like Lovett. If I hear an accent I’ll know you wore the merch to get picked out !

Got back from weekend in London and attending the two live shows yesterday.

Both were absolutely brilliant. Crowd was electric, even more than I thought. Audience was about 50/50 American/British.

Quite a lot of stuff was cut out - annoyingly some of the funniest parts, audience participation, friendly heckling etc.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Is anyone interested in being leader of the entire country? I think it's a nice thing to hope for, but I think it's unlikely in a polarized environment such as this, at least on a national level. I think any argument that Obama sought to represent a broad swath of Americans, given his background, is strained at best. The one thing I'll say for Obama is that on a political level, he often struck the right tone in public addresses. It's just that his policy efforts never really reflected anything but disdain for citizens of a different political persuasion. Trump doesn't hit that tone, IMO. But I do think, as of now, the left is gleeful about those approval ratings and will be so to their peril.

The approval ratings aren’t just low though, they are (and have been for a long time) HISTORICALLY low. So are the approval ratings for the only pieces of major legislation he’s either passed or tried to pass.

 

[Pettifogger]

The approval ratings aren’t just low though, they are (and have been for a long time) HISTORICALLY low. So are the approval ratings for the only pieces of major legislation he’s either passed or tried to pass.

Again, buy into it at their peril. I'm not confident of Trump's viability for a second term and obviously there is a lot of time to go. But Democrats lashed out about the tax cuts and are now referring to 2000 dollar bonuses as "crumbs." I don't buy the Trump-loyalist hype that everything he does is calculated genius. But he consistently puts the left in positions of taking fringe positions just to oppose him, and that is brilliant. He is wildly overbroad in speaking about Muslims, and the left goes off the deep end in defense of Islam. He harshly speaks of illegal immigrants, and the left deifies illegal immigrants in response. He says dumb stuff about Charlottesville, and the left praises ANTIFA and BLM. It consistently puts the left at odds with general American sentiments. Whether it's good for the country is a different matter.

Shaun King, a far left writer I'm not fond of, said something similar last week in light of the Oprah talk. He seems to think the far left is underestimating Trump to a great extent.

 

[verreauxi]

I laugh harder and harder at each post of yours. You gloss over all the contentions about the limitations (and very limited nature) of your evidence, and skip right to more conclusory declarations.

I, for the record, think the idea that Trump is a racist is laughable. As in, patently absurd. I think Trump is too close to populist and white nationalist movements. I think Trump uses reckless language. But I don't, at all, think Trump is a racist. Also for the record, I mean racist as in "thinks one race is inherently superior to another" not as in, "ruffles the feathers of some by daring to say mean things that touch on race."

You won't actually deny that illegal immigration is connected to drug trade/trafficking/dealing/etc. That's my whole point. Your argument is purely academic, which is fine. It's dumb in this context, when trying to gauge the truth of a statement, but I do the same when I've exaggerated my claims.

It's fine that you wouldn't call a country a shithole. I think it's important for you to maintain your position that by being anti-Trump you're enlightened, and by being less anti-Trump, I'm uncouth. It's likely central to your worldview, especially at the moment. Of course, it doesn't make your emotional rantings any more reasonable. In actuality, I think it's counterproductive, as there are plenty of actual things about which one might criticize this President.

I'll let your Trump-isn't-racist opinion speak for itself.

You are still wrong about Mexican immigrants, so I can only repeat myself. Trump referred to Mexican illegal immigrants as "drug-dealers" and you said "The drug dealer part is particularly accurate." This is not true, nor is it supported by any data. You have now tried--twice--to move the goal posts and say illegal immigration is "related" or "connected" to "drug trade/trafficing/dealing." Can you parse the difference between calling people drug dealers and saying illegal immigration is "connected" or "related" to drug dealing? I'm beginning to think you can't. Go back and re-read all three of your posts; it is pretty easy to see where you back-track on your wording. So again, please show me some data where "drug dealers = illegal Mexican immigrants." Also, you've actually misquoted Trump yourself in your weak defense of him.

Here's what you wrote:

2) Trump referred to some Mexicans crossing the border illegally as drug dealers (and rapists I think). The drug dealer part is particularly accurate. He, of course, didn't label them all drug dealers.

But look at these Trump quotes:

"They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
"They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc.”

As you can see, Trump claimed that the majority of illegal immigrant Mexicans are drug-dealers, and that only some are good people (but of course, according to you, he's not racist...). I presume you understand the difference between "some...are good people" which implies that the majority are not, and its converse? In any case, you haven't provided any data showing that the majority (but not "all") of illegal Mexican immigrants are "drug-dealers" but that is what you are claiming with your "particularly accurate" quote.

And again, I don't call a country a shithole because it is an unsupportable and pointless generalization--nothing productive comes from it. It has nothing to do with my worldview, whatever that means.

And I'm not being "emotional" or "ranting" or being "academic"--these are all the types of labels people such as yourself like to make when they can't crawl out of the shithole their poor reasoning hollowed out for them...but keep digging your heals in.

 

[Ruairi77]

Trump doesn't hit that tone, IMO. But I do think, as of now, the left is gleeful about those approval ratings and will be so to their peril.

I genuinely believe that Obama wanted the best for every American. I can't say that for Trump.
As for your last line, I'm really tired of the right coming out with this line. Nobody is gleeful about his ratings. They are in the toilet because people can see what a carpetbagging fraudster he is, the fact that more and more people are realizing that they voted for a moron elicits feelings of relief more than glee, then you realize nothing can be done with out 2/3rds senate approval. So I'd prefer if he wasn't such a stupid dipshit and did a better job.

 

[SteveSC]

Again, buy into it at their peril. I'm not confident of Trump's viability for a second term and obviously there is a lot of time to go. But Democrats lashed out about the tax cuts and are now referring to 2000 dollar bonuses as "crumbs." I don't buy the Trump-loyalist hype that everything he does is calculated genius. But he consistently puts the left in positions of taking fringe positions just to oppose him, and that is brilliant. He is wildly overbroad in speaking about Muslims, and the left goes off the deep end in defense of Islam. He harshly speaks of illegal immigrants, and the left deifies illegal immigrants in response. He says dumb stuff about Charlottesville, and the left praises ANTIFA and BLM. It consistently puts the left at odds with general American sentiments. Whether it's good for the country is a different matter.

Shaun King, a far left writer I'm not fond of, said something similar last week in light of the Oprah talk. He seems to think the far left is underestimating Trump to a great extent.

You make way too many assertions about the left.

Just like the right the left has its arm that goes overboard and defends something the right attacks but it is ludicrous to say every leftist or progressive liberal type did what you said in bold

That's not everyone's position and is exaggerated by the right.

With the exception of the illegal immigrant one which is taken up so wrong by the right. The left want protections for those that fall under DACA and those who have been here years and contributed. The right thinks incorrectly always that we all just want them to come in and have one big party so to say we worship them is sill and again an exaggeration,

As for the notion that you think Trump is brilliant with his tweets the ones he knows will get a reaction or so you believe that is laughable. He is the old man you see on the street telling it how it is or you granddad who you laugh at. There no brilliance hes an old man who cannot control his thoughts nor is mouth and says what he feels without thinking about it.

The fact that people think he is clever or brilliant despite the thousands of tweets and air time contradicting this is beyond me. I blame the internet and the whole "troll" thing.

 

[ste d' indica]

Africa. A great bunch o' lads.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Again, buy into it at their peril. I'm not confident of Trump's viability for a second term and obviously there is a lot of time to go. But Democrats lashed out about the tax cuts and are now referring to 2000 dollar bonuses as "crumbs." I don't buy the Trump-loyalist hype that everything he does is calculated genius. But he consistently puts the left in positions of taking fringe positions just to oppose him, and that is brilliant. He is wildly overbroad in speaking about Muslims, and the left goes off the deep end in defense of Islam. He harshly speaks of illegal immigrants, and the left deifies illegal immigrants in response. He says dumb stuff about Charlottesville, and the left praises ANTIFA and BLM. It consistently puts the left at odds with general American sentiments. Whether it's good for the country is a different matter.

Shaun King, a far left writer I'm not fond of, said something similar last week in light of the Oprah talk. He seems to think the far left is underestimating Trump to a great extent.

Who exactly is "deifying illegal immigrants"?! Unless you're talking about DACA recipients. In which case for the love of god get a grip.
Your conflating of BLM and Antifa is highly problematic.

Take a look at the Virginia elections (not to mention Alabama, though that had other aspects at play) if you want to see the direction things are going in.

The left isn't being complacent. Anything but. They're mobilising and getting involved at levels that haven't been seen in a long time.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Saw that earlier.

There is literally no level of hypocrisy that Fox News won't stoop to.

 

[DanEFC92]