@RealDonaldTrump Usmens team had a choice to go to world cup but hesitates, therefore invitation is WITHDRAWN! Going to the world cup is an honor.
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@RealDonaldTrump Usmens team had a choice to go to world cup but hesitates, therefore invitation is WITHDRAWN! Going to the world cup is an honor.
peteblue
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Oh dear. All I did was to respond to a post that said that status or prestige of the office of President was being trashed by Trump and pointed out that it already had been, by those I mentioned. I did not defend Trump in anyway shape or form, merely pointed out that the others, who actually were politicians and should have known better, had already demeaned the office. I do dislike Obama and I do dislike Hilary Clinton, and I’ve said so. I have continually said throughout this thread that Trump is and idiot, but you are jumping to all sorts of conclusions either because of your hatred for Trump or I am failing to communicate in a form or style that suits you, I’ll try harder.......
peteblue
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Wasn’t a goal either.....dreadful.....
peteblue
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Hahahaha......
That's funny!
As others have said mate, there is everything heinous that Nixon, Clinton, Bush, and every former American president have done rolled together........and then you have a long way to go to what the current clown is doing. The guy literally just challenged a current Cabinet member, who he put into the role, to an IQ test. That's not hyperbole. That's literally what he did. And that's just this week.
We are living on a reality TV show.
abelard
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Apart from all the twitter bluster, what are the outrages Trump has committed so far which a generic Republican president wouldn't also have done? Sacking Comey, certainly. What else? Could easily see Walker or Cruz embracing the Muslim ban, for instance.
I'm not convinced his Evil-Above-Replacement-Republican stats are so outrageous. And we'd probably come to miss his hilarious laziness and incompetence, were he to be replaced.
The real problem for Americans, led alone the rest of the planet, is that virtually all the Republicans now are so much worse than even Bush II, much less Nixon.
I'm not convinced his Evil-Above-Replacement-Republican stats are so outrageous. And we'd probably come to miss his hilarious laziness and incompetence, were he to be replaced.
The real problem for Americans, led alone the rest of the planet, is that virtually all the Republicans now are so much worse than even Bush II, much less Nixon.
You could call it twitter bluster but his reaction to Charlottesville, using the NFL protest for political gain, his travel ban, his crazy cabinet picks, his constant blatant lying, his inability to fill so many government positions, and on and on. To me, these are all things a generic Republican president wouldn't have done.
I don't disagree with your principle my issue I suppose , as much as anything , is the culmination of his behaviour . Amongst so so many things , to many to list we've had The gold star family insults adding more than a hint of racism towards the mother , the flagrant racism towards Mexico and those of Mexican descent, the Muslim rants , the normalisation of those fascist protests as 'many good people ' , the divisive NFL rhetoric with thinly veiled 'those people ' and the tacit support of police violence not to mention the misogynistic rants all add up to where the US is heading . The polarisation of opinion where racist behaviour is all of a sudden that bit more acceptable again , where you can call yourself alt-right rather than a fascist or putting America first rather than flagrant discrimination.
Regardless of the many policies that I disagree with I really worry that his words have power and that power is splitting the country and empowering a distasteful but vociferous minority which then causes push back and the situation escalates and escalates. An America where Seb Gorka and Bannon find themselves in the Whitehouse , for however a brief period , where the president telephones Alex jones to think him for his help and support and Roy Moore wins elections . To me This just shows the normalisation of beliefs that previously would have no place in a the higher reaches or a civilised and democratic diverse society .
To I think everything would be ok if spence took over absolutely not and as I say I can see and partially agree with your basic point but what the president says deeply concerns me.
abelard
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Constant blatant lying and crazy cabinet picks are NOT unique to Trump. Does anybody actually even still remember what the Bush administration was like?
Well, Trump has certainly opted more for the megaphone than the more conventional dog-whistle - though its pitch has dramatically deepened since the days of Kevin Phillips and Lee Atwater. But does anyone besides @mezzrow on here actually read right-wing media? The Muslim ban, fascist-style worship of the police, safe spaces for NFL-viewing snowflakes - all are nearly universally popular even on self-styled "responsible" Republican sites like the National Review. And virtually every Republican will exploit each one of these in exactly the same way Trump is doing during the 2018 campaign.
The possibility of him being replaced by some billionaire lump of clay like ¿Jeb? is nil.
Charlottesville is really the only instance where anything approaching a consensus among non-imminently retiring Republicans emerged that he'd gone too far. And even then, mainstream Republicans rallied around Confederate statues, condemned only the overtly fascist and violent minority in Virginia, and rhetorically blamed the whole mess on the left (or the "Alt-Left," a phrase which Clinton supporters coined and then frantically scrubbed from their twitter accounts).
Trump supported Strange, not Moore, in Alabama. He actually has very little ability to control or channel his angry herd. And Republicans have not been able to win elections without essentially these same people since Eisenhower.
It is a potentially very costly mistake to see Trump as the disease itself, rather than just a symptom.
And getting ridding of him, especially absent a degree of legitimacy among non-liberals, would only be the opening salvo, not the final volley.
Whilst I can understand your point from a policy standpoint I think that is mainly because Trump himself doesn't really have many philosophical convictions and so is happy to adapt standard Republican positions. The only things he has been consistent on in his career have been racial animus and skepticism towards institutions such as Nato and towards trade.
Where he differs substantially from what I think a generic Republican president would be is his mental and emotional instability, even towards his own Cabinet, and his racial demagoguery. I also doubt that any other Republican would be as clearly enamored of Putin.
True but this is a whole new level
abelard
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Racial demagoguery has been essential to Republican success since Nixon (and to Democrat success until Kennedy). It's simply bad history to think this begins with Trump. All he's done is turn up the volume, even louder than Nixon and Reagan turned it up before him.
Toward the end, LBJ, Nixon, and Reagan were all arguably just as mentally unstable - but the media treated each of them with far greater reverence, and they didn't have twitter. There is nothing Trump has said which you can't also more or less also find listening to the Nixon tapes.
Trump is no doubt up to his eyeballs in shady Russian real-estate financing, but his apparent reverence for Putin is clearly overblown, if not invented. What has substantially changed in US-Russian relations?
On foreign policy (as opposed to on twitter), "the blob," as the Obama team used to call it, has been granted everything it could ever want and then some.
The left has long had a hero/saviour complex, hence the blinkered fawning over Obama, essentially a timid, generic 1970s Republican, or the coronation of someone as utterly vapid (yet Woke!) as Hillary Clinton.
And the converse applies to how the left understands its opponents. Even if this very minute, the trembling ball of cholesterol between Trump's ears quivered its last, little would substantially change.
Like I said, Trump is only a symptom, and the patient will continue to deteriorate if we won't understand, much less treat, the actual disease.
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On the one hand you're saying he's the same as the other R leaders except for twitter outbursts, now you're saying he's worse/more extreme.
And you think his reverence for Putin is invented?
abelard
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I'm saying that he pushed the bounds of racial demagoguery - exactly as successive Republican Presidents have done before him.
Anyone who thinks Trump is something new and shocking has not been paying close enough attention. It stems from a misunderstanding about the actual nature and history of the United States - not the prevailing West Wing/George Washington and the Cherry Tree PR nonsense. Read about George Wallace, for example. Or look up Reagan's campaign speeches - or how he and Nixon were regarded in polite society before taking office. Republican presidents have always succeeded by demonstrably shocking "decent" opinion, ever since Nixon. Trump is merely the latest manifestation of a movement which has intensified in proportion to its culture war defeats beginning with the Civil Rights legislation of the 1960s.
Trump does defy the liberal enlightenment view of slow but inexorable progress - "the arc of history is long but it bends towards justice," as Obama liked to put it - but presuming that's how America (or the world) works is part of the problem.
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