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Watergate, Monica Lewinsky and his lies, Iraq, and you say I haven’t a clue.......

Haha!! Ok Pete, sure why not. Ridiculous from you as always.

All 3 of them actually accomplished something as politicians and presidents despite their indiscretions.

Trump does nothing but lie and catch himself out and has accomplished zero yes that's zero.

Other than being a hateful human being who bullies and picks at people he is a useless politician and a worse president.

He is the worst by a country mile. His inability to unite and lead the country is telling.
 
Haha!! Ok Pete, sure why not. Ridiculous from you as always.

All 3 of them actually accomplished something as politicians and presidents despite their indiscretions.

Trump does nothing but lie and catch himself out and has accomplished zero yes that's zero.

Other than being a hateful human being who bullies and picks at people he is a useless politician and a worse president.

He is the worst by a country mile. His inability to unite and lead the country is telling.

I rated Nixon, I thought he was a very serious and astute President, but Watergate happened and he lied, I didn’t make it up. Bill Clinton did a lot of good work and especially for Northern Ireland, but Monica Lewinsky happened and he lied, I didn’t make that up either. George Bush junior, was a fool, caused absolute mayhem and was responsible for the death of tens of thousands in Iraq, I didn’t make that up either. All 3 whether competent or not demeaned the office of the President. Now, Trump may well have lied, philandered, or caused unnecessary death, but has not as yet been proven guilty . Meanwhile what did the sacred Obama achieve, his red lines in Syria, his kicking the North Korea can down the road, allowing Russia to regain a foothold in the Middle East and taking over the Crimea, his telling of the U.K. to stay in the EU or be ‘at the back of the queue’, or was it just Obamacare and a smile. Trump is an idiot, he is now plainly unsuited to be a politician, but as yet has done no more to undermine the prestige of his office than the others.........
 
I rated Nixon, I thought he was a very serious and astute President, but Watergate happened and he lied, I didn’t make it up. Bill Clinton did a lot of good work and especially for Northern Ireland, but Monica Lewinsky happened and he lied, I didn’t make that up either. George Bush junior, was a fool, caused absolute mayhem and was responsible for the death of tens of thousands in Iraq, I didn’t make that up either. All 3 whether competent or not demeaned the office of the President. Now, Trump may well have lied, philandered, or caused unnecessary death, but has not as yet been proven guilty . Meanwhile what did the sacred Obama achieve, his red lines in Syria, his kicking the North Korea can down the road, allowing Russia to regain a foothold in the Middle East and taking over the Crimea, his telling of the U.K. to stay in the EU or be ‘at the back of the queue’, or was it just Obamacare and a smile. Trump is an idiot, he is now plainly unsuited to be a politician, but as yet has done no more to undermine the prestige of his office than the others.........

Clinton was acquitted.
 
I rated Nixon, I thought he was a very serious and astute President, but Watergate happened and he lied, I didn’t make it up. Bill Clinton did a lot of good work and especially for Northern Ireland, but Monica Lewinsky happened and he lied, I didn’t make that up either. George Bush junior, was a fool, caused absolute mayhem and was responsible for the death of tens of thousands in Iraq, I didn’t make that up either. All 3 whether competent or not demeaned the office of the President. Now, Trump may well have lied, philandered, or caused unnecessary death, but has not as yet been proven guilty . Meanwhile what did the sacred Obama achieve, his red lines in Syria, his kicking the North Korea can down the road, allowing Russia to regain a foothold in the Middle East and taking over the Crimea, his telling of the U.K. to stay in the EU or be ‘at the back of the queue’, or was it just Obamacare and a smile. Trump is an idiot, he is now plainly unsuited to be a politician, but as yet has done no more to undermine the prestige of his office than the others.........

The Iran deal was a genuine achievement of Obama's, and it was recognized as such by Congress (despite all the bitching about it and the direct opposition from the two biggest foreign government donors).

As for Ukraine, he was bounced into it by the EU - and in any case the end result of the Russian seizure of Crimea is that the rest of Ukraine is vastly (and probably permanently) more pro-Western than it was before. I think I did say this at the time, but far from being a "defeat" for Western foreign policy, its actually a nightmare for Putin - "the West" is now a thousand miles closer to Moscow than it was before.

Syria was (is) a mess, though he at least had the sense to back down from actually attacking Assad (we all should know what that would have resulted in) and the way in which the war has been fought - relying on "local" groups backed by airpower, rather than loads of Western forces - has actually resulted in considerable improvement, especially of the Iraqi forces. The Russian involvement probably solved more problems than it created, certainly its helped to expose Erdogan for the scum that he is.

Obama's biggest errors were believing Cameron and Sarkozy and getting involved in that Libyan nonsense, and appointing Clinton as Secretary of State - where she was an unmitigated disaster.
 
The Iran deal was a genuine achievement of Obama's, and it was recognized as such by Congress (despite all the bitching about it and the direct opposition from the two biggest foreign government donors).

As for Ukraine, he was bounced into it by the EU - and in any case the end result of the Russian seizure of Crimea is that the rest of Ukraine is vastly (and probably permanently) more pro-Western than it was before. I think I did say this at the time, but far from being a "defeat" for Western foreign policy, its actually a nightmare for Putin - "the West" is now a thousand miles closer to Moscow than it was before.

Syria was (is) a mess, though he at least had the sense to back down from actually attacking Assad (we all should know what that would have resulted in) and the way in which the war has been fought - relying on "local" groups backed by airpower, rather than loads of Western forces - has actually resulted in considerable improvement, especially of the Iraqi forces. The Russian involvement probably solved more problems than it created, certainly its helped to expose Erdogan for the scum that he is.

Obama's biggest errors were believing Cameron and Sarkozy and getting involved in that Libyan nonsense, and appointing Clinton as Secretary of State - where she was an unmitigated disaster.

And yet she was the supposed alternative to Trump.....
 
Trump hasn’t been charged, never mind acquitted......

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I'm paraphrasing a comment from a reader that I read in the NYT:

It is a sad state of politics when the only Republican politician willing to call Trump out for his dreadful sociopathic behavior is a senator who has chosen not to run again for office. What about the "principled" others?...oh wait...you're hoping to be reelected so I guess just keep your mouth shut and look out for your own interests; never mind the dignity and responsibility of serving the public in elected office.
 
An interesting piece on the consequences of failing to certify the Iran deal.

It underscores how sycophantic and lopsided media coverage of Iran - and American adversaries more generally - always is.

Trump will get blasted for a few days mostly because he is Trump, but this will be virtually the only piece that explains in proper context how irresponsible, self-indulgent, myopic, and counterproductive US policy to Iran has been since the revolution (if not since Mossadegh).

One thing this piece doesn't mention - America sabotaging the Iran detail would make Pyongyang all but insane NOT to acquire nukes of its own.

Iran: Trump’s Gift to the Hard-liners
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2017/10/10/iran-trumps-gift-to-the-hard-liners/

If Donald Trump decertifies the nuclear deal this week, the political fallout within Iran will be no different from earlier instances of Washington’s punishing of Iran’s moderates. Voices against the deal in Iran will strengthen, and those who favor a more confrontational policy toward Washington will once again have the wind in their sails. This help to Iran’s hard-liners could not come at a more opportune time.

While many in Washington believed that conflict with America constituted a pillar of the Iranian Revolution and that Tehran would therefore never agree to direct talks with the United States on the nuclear issue, Iranian hard-liners were driven by a different concern: that the nuclear negotiations would become a stepping stone toward a broader US-Iran rapprochement that could enable the US to regain a foothold in the Iranian economy. Eventually, they feared, the US presence inside Iran would shift the domestic balance of power against the conservatives and in favor of the more moderate factions.

The US, and perhaps the West in general, may not appreciate how far Iran shifted ground in the course of negotiating the nuclear deal, and how much that agreement bolstered the moderates in Tehran. In 2011, a confidant of the Sultan of Oman conveyed to Iran’s foreign minister, Ali Akbar Salehi, a message from Senator John Kerry that the US was open to a secret bilateral dialogue with Iran. Salehi was confused: Why was the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee so involved in this, while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was not? Once he conveyed the message to Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, his confusion was replaced by skepticism. The Supreme Leader rejected the offer on the grounds that the Americans were not trustworthy and would not fulfil their obligations.

But Salehi countered that Iran would not end up in a worse situation if it tried diplomacy and the US betrayed its word. On the contrary, the clerical regime could demonstrate to the Iranian public that it had “taken all measures to solve things peacefully, and people will also know that the establishment was ready for negotiations and that it was the Americans who refused.” Eventually, Ayatollah Khamenei came around. “He said OK, but you have to be very vigilant because we do not trust the Americans,” Salehi told me in an interview.

The Ayatollah’s distrust of the Americans was not based on an irrational ideological obsession, but on experience. Outreach by the Iranians to the US had more often than not ended in misadventure or worse. In 1995, the then president, Hashemi Rafsanjani, offered the first post-revolution oil deal to the American oil company Conoco Inc. He judged that a political rapprochement between Washington and Tehran would be more successful if it was built on common economic interests. But President Bill Clinton responded by adopting two executive orders that effectively killed the Conoco deal and eliminated all US trade with Iran.

Only weeks after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, moderate forces in Iran serving the reformist President Mohammad Khatami offered the US their help in defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan. The Iranians had been arming and funding the anti-Taliban coalition in Afghanistan for more than a decade. If Tehran could show its strategic utility to Washington, the Iranian government reasoned, then the George W. Bush administration would reciprocate and make possible a thaw in relations. According to Ambassador Jim Dobbins, President Bush’s personal envoy to Afghanistan, Iran played a critical part in both defeating the Taliban and securing the post-Taliban peace.

But only weeks after the apex of US-Iran collaboration in Afghanistan—the 2001 Bonn conference, where a new leader was chosen for the Afghan Interim Authority—Bush identified Iran as part of the “axis of evil” that included Saddam Hussein’s Iraq and Kim Jong-il’s North Korea. Tehran was shocked. Once again, its collaboration with the US had been punished, rather than rewarded, by Washington.

In March 2003, the Iranians submitted to Washington a comprehensive negotiation proposal through the Swiss ambassador in Tehran. (The Swiss government had been tasked by the US with serving as a channel of communication between Washington and Tehran in the absence of direct diplomatic relations.) Among other things, the Iranians offered to open their nuclear program up to full transparency, stabilize Iraq and ensure its government would not be sectarian (a goal the Iranians had helped achieve in Afghanistan), and collaborate against terrorist organizations—above all, al-Qaeda. In return, the Iranians wanted a strategic dialogue with Washington, the lifting of sanctions and a recognition of “Iran’s legitimate security interests.”

But the Bush administration never responded. Instead, it reprimanded the Swiss ambassador for having delivered the proposal in the first place. Within the administration, any debate on the matter was shut down by then Vice President Dick Cheney, who simply asserted, “We don’t talk to evil.” Tehran was befuddled. If Washington was uninterested in changes to Iranian policies that it had itself identified as problematic, then the US’s real problem with Iran was not the country’s policies but its power, the Iranians concluded. And while countries can give up or amend policies, they cannot give up power.

Every time Iran’s outreach was rejected, voices for moderation and collaboration within Iran’s elite were weakened and silenced, while conservative factions favoring a more confrontational approach rose in influence. The rise of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his combative policies in 2005 was directly related to the US’s rejection of the 2003 proposal. If Washington refused dialogue with Tehran when Iran adopted a collaborative approach, the Iranians reasoned, then the clerical regime had no choice but to make that American policy as costly as possible by undermining US interests in the region. The result was that the moderates within Iran’s foreign policy elite were deeply marginalized for eight years.

Today, more than two years after the nuclear agreement was signed, the conservatives in Tehran can live with the deal and even contemplate security collaboration with Washington in the region. But their fear is that they simply cannot survive the political consequences of American penetration of the Iranian economy. This is why, immediately before and after the nuclear deal, there was a severe clampdown in Iran on dual nationals who either had planned, or were suspected of planning, to use the opening of the nuclear accord to lay the groundwork for an attempted expansion of economic relations with the West. The signal was clear: the nuclear deal notwithstanding, Iran was not open for American businesses.

Even in the absence of American involvement in the Iranian economy, the nuclear deal has clearly shifted the domestic balance of power in the direction of the moderates. President Hassan Rouhani and his coalition have won three major elections since the deal: the parliament fell into the hands of his coalition; the Assembly of Experts elections saw some of the most hard-line clergy lose their seats; and Rouhani won a crushing victory in the presidential election earlier this year. In addition, reformists swept the board in most of Iran’s major city council elections, leaving their conservative rivals with no seats at all.

This series of political defeats had spread panic in the conservative ranks. But now Trump is coming to their aid. Rather than Rouhani and the moderates’ benefiting politically from the nuclear deal, Trump’s decertification, together with American moves to escalate tensions with Iran in the region, will vindicate Ayatollah Khamenei’s narrative of American untrustworthiness—especially among groups in Iran that have long resisted the Supreme Leader’s antipathy for the US. When Iran is solidly adhering to the nuclear accord, as the International Atomic Energy Agency has verified eight times since January 2016, yet Trump still wants to kill the deal, then the problem doesn’t lie in Tehran. It lies in Washington.

By having so naively entrusted Iran’s future to the untrustworthy Americans, Iranian conservatives will argue, President Rouhani and his moderates have put the country at risk. The more aggressive Trump’s posture in the Middle East becomes, the stronger the hard-liners’ argument against Rouhani’s administration will be. Besides this, Rouhani’s plans to reinvigorate the Iranian economy will certainly suffer from the collapse of the nuclear deal. If America’s European partners cave to US pressure and either reimpose European Union sanctions on Iran or advise their companies to withdraw from the Iranian market, the economic hit to Iran will be significant. Even if the EU continues trading with Iran, the uncertainty around the durability of the nuclear agreement will be enough to scare off many foreign investors. In that case, Rouhani’s economic program, on which the political future of Iran’s moderates hinges, will be severely hampered.

This will put Iran’s conservatives in a good position to win back the parliament in the 2020 elections, in what is, arguably, a do-or-die moment for the conservatives. It will also strengthen their hand ahead of the ultimate factional showdown: the selection of the next Supreme Leader when Ayatollah Khamenei, who is nearing eighty and suffers from prostate cancer, passes away.

This is not just about what the Iranian conservatives will win if Trump kills the nuclear deal, but what America will lose. The blow to Iran’s moderate forces will be far more consequential than Bush’s “axis of evil” declaration and the rejection of the 2003 grand bargain proposal. It will take years, perhaps decades, before anyone in the Iranian political elite will dare to suggest any accommodation with Washington. Just as important, it will be a tragedy for an entire generation of young Iranians who strongly favor the deal because they want to be on better terms with the US and who have blamed Tehran more than Washington for the US-Iran enmity. For President Trump to renege on the nuclear agreement will push them to accept the hard-liners’ anti-American narrative and silence the voices of those in Iran who want to meet America halfway.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/puerto-rico-power-hospitals.html
The situation is particularly serious for Puerto Rico’s 6,000 dialysis patients. On its hurricane update website, the Puerto Rican government says that all 46 dialysis centers on the island have received assistance, and the Department of Defense counts 43 centers as operational. The website does not mention that the diesel fuel shortage is still so severe that many patients whose blood is normally cleaned for 12 hours a week are now being treated for only nine.

“At one point, the government said the dialysis situation was controlled and the facilities were getting diesel,” said Lisandro Montalvo, the medical director of Fresenius Medical Care North America, a chain of dialysis centers here. “But they maybe supplied diesel to three or four facilities, and we have 26 facilities. We talk to FEMA every day. It’s always an emergency. We have to say: ‘These three are low, please.’ Sometimes they fill it, and sometimes they don’t.”

Mr. Cruz receives his dialysis treatment at a different chain of centers. He said that in the days after the storm, all the centers were closed, so patients were swarming to hospitals, where they were getting just half the prescribed treatment. Witnessing a woman’s death during dialysis helped persuade him that he should leave Puerto Rico, rather than keep having to struggle to find a spot in line. He plans to move to Orlando, Fla., on Wednesday.
 
I rated Nixon, I thought he was a very serious and astute President, but Watergate happened and he lied, I didn’t make it up. Bill Clinton did a lot of good work and especially for Northern Ireland, but Monica Lewinsky happened and he lied, I didn’t make that up either. George Bush junior, was a fool, caused absolute mayhem and was responsible for the death of tens of thousands in Iraq, I didn’t make that up either. All 3 whether competent or not demeaned the office of the President. Now, Trump may well have lied, philandered, or caused unnecessary death, but has not as yet been proven guilty . Meanwhile what did the sacred Obama achieve, his red lines in Syria, his kicking the North Korea can down the road, allowing Russia to regain a foothold in the Middle East and taking over the Crimea, his telling of the U.K. to stay in the EU or be ‘at the back of the queue’, or was it just Obamacare and a smile. Trump is an idiot, he is now plainly unsuited to be a politician, but as yet has done no more to undermine the prestige of his office than the others.........

I never said you made anything up. Why you keep repeating that is beyond me.

Newsflash Pete every politician lies.

Ok i get you Nixon and Clinton lied about something and it got them into a spot of bother. Clearly Nixon's lie and indiscretion was one of the worst. I get that.

Bill Clinton had an affair in the oval office. A morale issue at best but not illegal. He was stupid to not just admit it in congress if he had of nothing would have come of it.

Bush was naive and let Cheney and his cabinet lead him. Yes Iraq was a mess we get that

The problem is Pete you keep saying you dislike Trump yet you continually compare him and defend him to every other person you can think off and then repeat how you are not a fan. Oh and then you take swipes at Obama and the Clinton's for no good reason other than your dislike for them.

The best you could do is just admit you're on Trumps side. Possibly because he supp;orts the brexit process and you think he will help you guys out when you look to join NAFTA i don't know really.

Now getting back to Trump. The difference between him and the 3 you have mentioned is simple. they had a bit of class and skill to play politics and use their brain. Ultimately yes they got themselves in a bind but they had skills to at least look competent in the job.

They never publicly attacked people. they were not divisive to the american public. They never attacked generals, POWS, colleagues, heroes.

Nixon had a bit of an ego but it was nothing compared to how trump acts.

He is a 12 year old who needs constant praise. He does not read notes and belittles anyone who has an opinion on him. He wants to divide the country and appeal to racists.

But yeah tell us again how the 3 other guys were as bad

Like i said Pete, it seems your main goal is to try be outlandish or controversial and when someone answers you you change tact or pretend you are the all knowing.
 
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