Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[catcherintherye]

You're perfectly right. But some are hiding amongst refugees, it has been proven. It's unfair on the families driven from their homes, also right, but why put the lives of US citizens at risk when they can't be 100% sure?

Because their is a humanitarian crisis, and we shouldn't base our ethical behaviour on the basis of what a Terrorist organisation are looking to undermine?

More importantly, you will not get rid of terrorism and ISIS until you create stability in the Middle East and solve the humanitarian crisis.

 

[SNova]

To be honest, I've not heard of either of them.

Milo can be quite funny sometimes. But yeah I've only heard of Stephen Bannon today.

 

[abelard]

'kinell, you're like the emergency debating committee when Brian's about to be crucified in the film. Balls to hurt feelings & sensitivities - innocent people's lives are at stake.

 

[SNova]

Because their is a humanitarian crisis, and we shouldn't base our ethical behaviour on the basis of what a Terrorist organisation are looking to undermine?

More importantly, you will not get rid of terrorism and ISIS until you create stability in the Middle East and solve the humanitarian crisis.

I think government should base their decision on what's best for their people. That's my view.

There are other ways to help.

 

[Moomin]

What IS yours and @Moomin 's major malfunction? One or ten posing as refugees, there's a problem you're refusing to address. Make it harder for terrorists to infiltrate and half the battle's won.

It doesn't matter where the murderers come from. It's about who and what they are. Don't deflect from the real issue by arguing someone's nationality when the nationality isn't the issue. It doesn't matter once they pull the trigger does it, ffs?

They all have something in common, don't they?

'kinell, you're like the emergency debating committee when Brian's about to be crucified in the film. Balls to hurt feelings & sensitivities - innocent people's lives are at stake.

What do they have all in common. I'm going to say they have a homeland ripped apart by war and have nothing but what they are wearing and carrying and need help.

 

[The Esk]

economic system???

sorry mate.... culture, i'll grant you. but we've been losing on economics since the 1970s in the US, and 80s in the UK. Democrats/Labour have only won elections by embracing right-wing economic policy. It was Bill Clinton, for example, who gutted welfare and eliminated financial regulations, helping cause the 2008 crash



this is already happening
https://www.ft.com/content/00ff8f82-a835-11e6-8b69-02899e8bd9d1

Jamie Dimon as treasury secretary? wow... not even Clinton would dare

"But for now, said analysts, Mr Dimon’s name may have an important signalling effect. It means that America’s next president is unafraid of reconnecting Washington and Wall Street."

Under Mr Trump, however, that could be changing. Consideration of the JPMorgan chief shows that, eight years on from the crisis, the period of bashing banks is drawing to a close.

Lobbyists welcomed the connection. “Folks with the relevant industry experience should not be excluded,” said Rob Nichols, head of the American Bankers Association, which bills itself as the voice of the nation’s $16tn banking industry. “In fact, those saying you shouldn’t have experience, that is misguided public policy.”

If Mr Dimon really is in the frame it marks a “seismic shift”, said Isaac Boltansky, an analyst at Compass Point in Washington. “We’ve gone from former Wall Street employees having the scarlet letter on their lapel to a wide-open consideration of resetting the regulatory regime.”


Republican elites are hoping that Trump can palliate the public by railing against commerce on sundays and women in pants, or whatever. they assume that the Republican base doesn't actually care about policy, and just wants to be worked up into a lather of social resentment, and, while it's distracted, they can procede to dismantle the state for good and for always. like Kansas, but for the the country as a whole.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-kansas-tea-party-disaster-20141023

but Trump is nothing if not unpredictable, so it's a bit of gamble. it remains to be seen how he'll react when the first real crisis hits his door. for now, i'm less concerned about the President than about the types of people he's emboldened.

It's interesting that as much as Clinton was criticised for being in with Wall Street (with justification) Trump is going to need Wall Street even more than Clinton would have.

His policy of lowering taxes and large infra-structure spending can only mean one thing - a huge increase in the US national debt. Therefore it's key that he maintains relationships with Wall Street and keeps them informed and onside at least re his economic plans.

It's not obvious who will be the big providers of capital (other than QE) - the US bond market looks massively overbought, and with estimates of $1 trillion of debt to be issued, the cost of borrowing is going to increase. For years the Chinese have been big buyers of US debt, partially as they needed a home for their excess funds, but also as a means of keeping their currency peg. With the prospect of trade tariffs on Chinese goods, the Chinese may look to other bond markets other than the US.

 

[The Esk]

I think government should base their decision on what's best for their people. That's my view.

There are other ways to help.

Helping people other than your own citizens is not necessarily damaging your own, this is not a zero sum game.

 

[davek]

interestingly greece and spain seem to have gone down the socialist route, what with the popularity of left wing parties over there...

...societies with traditionally strong socialist movements.

 

[SNova]

Helping people other than your own citizens is not necessarily damaging your own, this is not a zero sum game.

I agree. It depends on how you decide to help them.

 

[roydo]

It's interesting that as much as Clinton was criticised for being in with Wall Street (with justification) Trump is going to need Wall Street even more than Clinton would have.

His policy of lowering taxes and large infra-structure spending can only mean one thing - a huge increase in the US national debt. Therefore it's key that he maintains relationships with Wall Street and keeps them informed and onside at least re his economic plans.

It's not obvious who will be the big providers of capital (other than QE) - the US bond market looks massively overbought, and with estimates of $1 trillion of debt to be issued, the cost of borrowing is going to increase. For years the Chinese have been big buyers of US debt, partially as they needed a home for their excess funds, but also as a means of keeping their currency peg. With the prospect of trade tariffs on Chinese goods, the Chinese may look to other bond markets other than the US.

The even more worrying thing is that I doubt Trump even understands that post. If he read it like.

 

[TheFinnFan]

i do find it amusing that you seem to be treating this election a bit like a football match...

Blame international break.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

What do they have all in common. I'm going to say they have a homeland ripped apart by war and have nothing but what they are wearing and carrying and need help.

Who are you talking about?

The french/belgian murderers that weren't posing as refugees - or the would be murderers that you'd happily let slip through the net?

Even a one in a million risk is still a risk. I have no problem with a rigourous screening before allowing entry. I don't know why you have.

 

[catcherintherye]

interestingly greece and spain seem to have gone down the socialist route, what with the popularity of left wing parties over there...

And Bulgaria has just overthrown a right of centre MP. Scotland with the SNP have seen something of a kick to the left as well. Meanwhile Ireland & Portugal have seen quite left leaning parties gain greater votes. What's apparent is that when a left party has remained firm on racism, sexism and homophobia, while showing it is prepared to resist austerity it has faired well. Were compromises have been made they have been punished.

 

[abelard]

It's interesting that as much as Clinton was criticised for being in with Wall Street (with justification) Trump is going to need Wall Street even more than Clinton would have.

His policy of lowering taxes and large infra-structure spending can only mean one thing - a huge increase in the US national debt. Therefore it's key that he maintains relationships with Wall Street and keeps them informed and onside at least re his economic plans.

It's not obvious who will be the big providers of capital (other than QE) - the US bond market looks massively overbought, and with estimates of $1 trillion of debt to be issued, the cost of borrowing is going to increase. For years the Chinese have been big buyers of US debt, partially as they needed a home for their excess funds, but also as a means of keeping their currency peg. With the prospect of trade tariffs on Chinese goods, the Chinese may look to other bond markets other than the US.

deficits are fine if they go towards defence, agriculture subsidies, or tax cuts for rich people. the notion that reagan lowered the deficit is practically a religious conviction at this point

 

[neil999]

Who are you talking about?

The french/belgian murderers that weren't posing as refugees - or the would be murderers that you'd happily let slip through the net?

Even a one in a million risk is still a risk. I have no problem with a rigourous screening before allowing entry. I don't know why you have.

well cost is one ...and if it actually works, you just want them to do something when you dont actually know what the consequences of it are