Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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peteblue said:
I think he's damned if he does or doesn't tbh. The delay fixed everyone's mind for them. If he says anything now it will be dismissed as playing politics and portrayed as being bullied into it, which his character wouldn't allow. He's definitely in the mire though.......
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But why the delay Pete? On what other subject has he been anything close to calm/considered/waiting for facts before opining?
 
LinekersLegs said:
But why the delay Pete? On what other subject has he been anything close to calm/considered/waiting for facts before opining?
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No idea, advice probably but it was odd. It does happen though, over here Government invariably get roasted if the opposition 'gets in first' on a disaster. It even happened to the Queen when Diana was killed.......
 
peteblue said:
No idea, advice probably but it was odd. It does happen though, over here Government invariably get roasted if the opposition 'gets in first' on a disaster. It even happened to the Queen when Diana was killed.......
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You seem to be bending over amazingly far backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt here - are you sure this isn't you? ;)
 
peteblue said:
It depends upon what you want from your President. I have no time for Hilary Clinton who I believe should have been prosecuted regarding her emails. Also from a purely selfish point of view, she would have also thrown her weight behind the UK remaining within the EU and continued with Obamas anti UK rhetoric regarding trade and being the back of the queue. This to a country that is the USA's staunchest ally. Trump is an idiot and you will find I have said so on many occasions. He is however pro U.K.and at least recognises the bond between our two countries. Trump is undoubtedly sexist, but he's no Bill Clinton. He may be Xenophobic, but many just think he's patriotic and unashamedly for Americans. I've no idea what the making fun of the disabled is about, but as I say he's an idiot. Which brings us to the issue of Racism. He is a clumsy politician, he doesn't know how to control his media or his own image and he is terrible in front of the press, but I'm not sure he is a racist. His attempt at being even handed in the way he did showed up all of his failings, but he receives no slack from his opponents, he has been on the receiving end of some pretty bad abuse since his appointment and even now there are many who refuse to accept that he is the president.

What you make of my points is entirely down to how you read them and from the political viewpoint you adopt in doing so. You may not agree with them, but as I've said consistently I too abhore the violence from both sides in C'ville, violence of this nature achieves nothing and merely escalates division and intolerance. The USA appears deeply divided but while Trump receives all of the blame, and rightly for a lot of it, his opponents could do with looking in the mirror and being honest with themselves........
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I'm glad you agree that Trump is sexist and xenophobic (and for the record Bill Clinton's actions in the WH were disgusting). As to him making fun of the disabled see here. As to Trump's racism...well no, he obviously hasn't burned a cross and worn a white hood. But here's what he's done along those lines:
--he has called all Mexicans rapists
--he's referred to black people in Baltimore as Thugs
--he's appointed Jeff Sessions, who was denied a Federal Judge position due to comments such as calling a white civil rights lawyer a "race traitor" and making sympathetic jokes about the KKK
--he's appointed Steve Bannon, who has claimed Briebart was the platform of the alt-right
--he's claimed a judge was biased due to being "Mexican"
--he's attacked the Muslim parents of US Army officer who was KIA
--he's been sued by the Justice Department for not renting to black people
--he said that quotes attributed to him--that black people were inherently lazy, that black people shouldn't be counting his Casino money--were "probably true"
--he questioned whether Obama was an American
--he said of the Pequots, that they "don't look like Indians to me..."
--he condoned the beating of a BLM supporter, saying "Maybe [the protester] should have been roughed up"
--when two men were convicted of beating up a homeless Latino and citing Trump as their inspiration, Trump said in response to these attacks, “I will say that people who are following me are very passionate...They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate.”

And on and on and on. I'm no longer going to impute any negative characteristics on you...I'll let you make the call on the above.

In my view there's a big difference between saying something like "I've no use for Hilary Clinton" or "I dislike Obama"...those are valid opinions. I have real trouble with folks making comparisons, as you did, about the "better of two evils". The problem is that things like racism, sexism, xenophobia are not political issues (despite the alt-right trying to make it so), they are things all functioning members of society should fight against. But when one throws their support behind Trump or makes comparisons between Trump and others, as you did, it indicates that one's standards of comparison--Trump's record of racism, sexism, xenophobia, mocking the disabled--is the measure through which one judges others as inferior. That's a weird way to move through life since the standards are at the very bottom of the barrel. One can only go up in standards of decency, not down. So such comparisons are going to generate a huge burden on the shoulder's of Trump supporters in terms of being judged as championing those bottom-of-the-barrel standards; after all, they are throwing their weight behind a candidate who's horrific track-record regarding basic human values and constructive interactions is morally indefensible.
 
verreauxi said:
I'm glad you agree that Trump is sexist and xenophobic (and for the record Bill Clinton's actions in the WH were disgusting). As to him making fun of the disabled see here. As to Trump's racism...well no, he obviously hasn't burned a cross and worn a white hood. But here's what he's done along those lines:
--he has called all Mexicans rapists
--he's referred to black people in Baltimore as Thugs
--he's appointed Jeff Sessions, who was denied a Federal Judge position due to comments such as calling a white civil rights lawyer a "race traitor" and making sympathetic jokes about the KKK
--he's appointed Steve Bannon, who has claimed Briebart was the platform of the alt-right
--he's claimed a judge was biased due to being "Mexican"
--he's attacked the Muslim parents of US Army officer who was KIA
--he's been sued by the Justice Department for not renting to black people
--he said that quotes attributed to him--that black people were inherently lazy, that black people shouldn't be counting his Casino money--were "probably true"
--he questioned whether Obama was an American
--he said of the Pequots, that they "don't look like Indians to me..."
--he condoned the beating of a BLM supporter, saying "Maybe [the protester] should have been roughed up"
--when two men were convicted of beating up a homeless Latino and citing Trump as their inspiration, Trump said in response to these attacks, “I will say that people who are following me are very passionate...They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate.”

And on and on and on. I'm no longer going to impute any negative characteristics on you...I'll let you make the call on the above.

In my view there's a big difference between saying something like "I've no use for Hilary Clinton" or "I dislike Obama"...those are valid opinions. I have real trouble with folks making comparisons, as you did, about the "better of two evils". The problem is that things like racism, sexism, xenophobia are not political issues (despite the alt-right trying to make it so), they are things all functioning members of society should fight against. But when one throws their support behind Trump or makes comparisons between Trump and others, as you did, it indicates that one's standards of comparison--Trump's record of racism, sexism, xenophobia, mocking the disabled--is the measure through which one judges others as inferior. That's a weird way to move through life since the standards are at the very bottom of the barrel. One can only go up in standards of decency, not down. So such comparisons are going to generate a huge burden on the shoulder's of Trump supporters in terms of being judged as championing those bottom-of-the-barrel standards; after all, they are throwing their weight behind a candidate who's horrific track-record regarding basic human values and constructive interactions is morally indefensible.
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This wins the internet today
 
peteblue said:
I think he's damned if he does or doesn't tbh. The delay fixed everyone's mind for them. If he says anything now it will be dismissed as playing politics and portrayed as being bullied into it, which his character wouldn't allow. He's definitely in the mire though.......
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And that's entirely his fault, isn't it? Who would damn him if he condemned white nationalists and Nazis and refrained from the absurd equating of White nationalists and Nazis with those who oppose them? White nationalists and Nazis, I suppose.

Shouldn't be too difficult of a moral or even a political calculation to make. Except, it seems, for The Donald.
 
steveojcc said:
Has anyone else seen this Colbert show mocking Trumps speech using his words yesterday and a Zombie apocalypse as the theme...

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That's good stuff.

Minor point: If he actually said it, Trump was wrong about the counter-protesters not having permits. One of the deciding factors in the judge's decision to keep the neo-Nazi march at the downtown location was specifically because the town tried to revoke the neo-Nazi permit but did not revoke the permits of the counter-protesters. This constituted evidence, as the ACLU argued and the judge agreed with, that the town was biased against the content of the march (i.e., the hateful message) rather than revoking the permit for safety issues; since if it were solely a safety issue, the town would have revoked all permits--both counter-protesters and neo-Nazi.
 
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