Seems to be making it up as he goes along???
Mate, that is the story of his entire life. His business "career", his abhorrent personal life and now his half-ass attempt at being a public servant/leader.
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Mate, that is the story of his entire life. His business "career", his abhorrent personal life and now his half-ass attempt at being a public servant/leader.
And the CEO's are quite clearly not going to allow him the face savinghe was craving of claiming he dumped them first.
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
I was in Charlottesville. Trump was wrong about violence on the left
Jason Wilson
Published:20:49 CEST Wed 16 August 2017
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A memorial at 4th and Water Streets, where Heather Heyer was killed when a car rammed into a group of counterprotesters last weekend.Photograph: Julia Rendleman/AP
Jason Wilson, who was in Charlottesville during the white nationalist rally, says the record must be cleared: counter-protesters came in peace
Donald Trump said many thingsover the course of his press conference yesterday. Some of those things cannot be allowed to stand.
I was in Charlottesville over the weekend, and Trump’s characterization of the events there is flatly wrong.
At one point, Trump asked reporters: “Excuse me, what about the ‘alt-left’ that came charging at the, as you say, the ‘alt-right’. Do they have any semblance of guilt?”
He continued: “Let me ask you this. What about the fact they came charging – that they came charging, with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do.”
Let’s talk about what really happened.
On Friday night, hundreds of white supremacists and neo-fascists had a torchlight march across the University of Virginia’s campus, a place to which they had not been invited. They openly chanted fascist slogans like “blood and soil” and “you will not replace us”.
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When they reached a much smaller group of counter-protesters gathered around a statue of Thomas Jefferson, they surrounded them, hurled verbal abuse, and then commenced beating them with lit torches and fists, and using pepper spray on them. Some protesters told me they had been sprayed with lighter fluid while naked flames burned all around them.
Some of the people trapped around the statue responded with fists and pepper spray, but their actions, and their posture, was entirely defensive from the start.
The “alt-right”, on the other hand, came prepared for violence, and they were spoiling for it.
That night, it was not the left that “came charging, with clubs in their hands”. Quite the contrary.
On Saturday, again, the far-right protesters came primed for violence, and most counter-protesters adopted an entirely defensive posture.
Hundreds of white supremacists, mostly young men, marched to Emancipation Park through the streets of Charlottesville in military-style formations.
Again, they chanted fascist slogans. They carried the colors of openly fascist organizations, which promote white supremacy, antisemitism, misogyny, and the idea of a white ethno-state.
Many wore helmets and carried shields. Many carried clubs and chemical sprays. All of these were used on counter-protesters. And initially, the counter-protesters I saw from my perch at the south-east corner of the park used entirely passive methods to try to block the passage of the far right groups.
As one of the far right’s formations approached Emancipation Park, I witnessed one of their number spray mace into the face of a young, female counter-protester who had done no more than talk to them.
I saw a large man, around 6ft 3in, dressed in full riot gear, swinging a club at any counter-protester he could find.
I saw a group of 250 or more white-shirted young men shove aside and threaten 20 members of the clergy who had linked arms at the top of a set of stairs, and hurl racial epithets at Cornel West.
At the time they did this, they were being monitored by counter-protesters, some of whom were themselves armed. But the fact that they were watching was welcomed by West, who said: “We would have been crushed like cockroaches if it were not for the anarchists and the antifascists.”
I was near the bottom of the stairs that West was standing at the top of. I think he’s right. And bear in mind that he and everyone else in the counter-protest were promoting the values of antiracism, feminism, LGBT rights and equality.
There was violence from some counter-protesters. But most, like Heather Heyer, who was allegedly killed by one of the far-right marchers, were entirely peaceful.
Heyer’s killing and the injury of 20 people with a car was the culmination of a day where the right had come prepared for violence, appeared to be thirsting for it, and committed far more of it than the other side. It was also a day when they gathered in the name of white supremacy.
So Tuesday, when the president said: “You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent”, he was doing no more and no less than apologizing for fascist violence.
Jason Wilson
Published:20:49 CEST Wed 16 August 2017
Follow Jason Wilson
A memorial at 4th and Water Streets, where Heather Heyer was killed when a car rammed into a group of counterprotesters last weekend.Photograph: Julia Rendleman/AP
Jason Wilson, who was in Charlottesville during the white nationalist rally, says the record must be cleared: counter-protesters came in peace
Donald Trump said many thingsover the course of his press conference yesterday. Some of those things cannot be allowed to stand.
I was in Charlottesville over the weekend, and Trump’s characterization of the events there is flatly wrong.
At one point, Trump asked reporters: “Excuse me, what about the ‘alt-left’ that came charging at the, as you say, the ‘alt-right’. Do they have any semblance of guilt?”
He continued: “Let me ask you this. What about the fact they came charging – that they came charging, with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do.”
Let’s talk about what really happened.
On Friday night, hundreds of white supremacists and neo-fascists had a torchlight march across the University of Virginia’s campus, a place to which they had not been invited. They openly chanted fascist slogans like “blood and soil” and “you will not replace us”.
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When they reached a much smaller group of counter-protesters gathered around a statue of Thomas Jefferson, they surrounded them, hurled verbal abuse, and then commenced beating them with lit torches and fists, and using pepper spray on them. Some protesters told me they had been sprayed with lighter fluid while naked flames burned all around them.
Some of the people trapped around the statue responded with fists and pepper spray, but their actions, and their posture, was entirely defensive from the start.
The “alt-right”, on the other hand, came prepared for violence, and they were spoiling for it.
That night, it was not the left that “came charging, with clubs in their hands”. Quite the contrary.
On Saturday, again, the far-right protesters came primed for violence, and most counter-protesters adopted an entirely defensive posture.
Hundreds of white supremacists, mostly young men, marched to Emancipation Park through the streets of Charlottesville in military-style formations.
Again, they chanted fascist slogans. They carried the colors of openly fascist organizations, which promote white supremacy, antisemitism, misogyny, and the idea of a white ethno-state.
Many wore helmets and carried shields. Many carried clubs and chemical sprays. All of these were used on counter-protesters. And initially, the counter-protesters I saw from my perch at the south-east corner of the park used entirely passive methods to try to block the passage of the far right groups.
As one of the far right’s formations approached Emancipation Park, I witnessed one of their number spray mace into the face of a young, female counter-protester who had done no more than talk to them.
I saw a large man, around 6ft 3in, dressed in full riot gear, swinging a club at any counter-protester he could find.
I saw a group of 250 or more white-shirted young men shove aside and threaten 20 members of the clergy who had linked arms at the top of a set of stairs, and hurl racial epithets at Cornel West.
At the time they did this, they were being monitored by counter-protesters, some of whom were themselves armed. But the fact that they were watching was welcomed by West, who said: “We would have been crushed like cockroaches if it were not for the anarchists and the antifascists.”
I was near the bottom of the stairs that West was standing at the top of. I think he’s right. And bear in mind that he and everyone else in the counter-protest were promoting the values of antiracism, feminism, LGBT rights and equality.
There was violence from some counter-protesters. But most, like Heather Heyer, who was allegedly killed by one of the far-right marchers, were entirely peaceful.
Heyer’s killing and the injury of 20 people with a car was the culmination of a day where the right had come prepared for violence, appeared to be thirsting for it, and committed far more of it than the other side. It was also a day when they gathered in the name of white supremacy.
So Tuesday, when the president said: “You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent”, he was doing no more and no less than apologizing for fascist violence.
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
Anyone still supporting Trump, have a very stern word with yourselves.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
The problem is that people are using the word Nazis, without really understanding just what they were about. Your white supremacists or Black Activists are just scoring points off each other and now pulling down statues. Nazis actually killed people in large numbers and started WW2. Using this word to describe nutters in the USA is a gross over exaggeration and gives them a label that should really just be laughed at. They are a joke, unpleasant in the extreme, but a joke.
Violence from either left or right is just that, violence. They are the same people with a different goal, but anyone who believes that hitting another person promotes a political point should be locked up. The best attack upon the far right is to humiliate them, laugh at them, make them figures of fun and ridicule, but to engage in fighting just plays into their hands....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Her mother delivered the best speech I've heard in a long time..
I like a lot of your posts Pete but I think you're losing your marbles here
Carried Nazi flags and symbols, gave Nazi salute, chanted Nazi maxims...they are Nazis. It took the German Nazis a while to get to the point of killing millions of people and plunging the world into war, but it started with one murder ...lost to history now maybe.
But here we are again. I prefer we stop it now before we get to "killing large numbers"
I hear what you say, Links.
And agree with you for the most part.
It is just I still don't see how a statue of General Lee in a park in rural Virginia can be offensive to a resident of that town yet if he or she was to go to another part of the state to visit the grave of a grandfather whom died at, say Guadalcanal, then a memorial to the same fellow is not going to be offensive there.
Plus the Confederates did not fight and die for the United States of America.....they actually took up arms against it so strictly speaking Arlington is not the place for Confererate dead to be buried.
As you say yourself, he was responsible for leading an army which killed thousands of his own countrymen...how can such a man be immortalised among America's patriot dead?
As I understand it that is treason and treason still carries a death sentence for American citizens taking up arms against their own country.
That sacred place is supposed to be the last resting place for those who served under Stars and Stripes.
Either all statues to Confederate leaders are offensive and should be hauled down or none are and should remain standing IMO.
(my own view would be the statue has stood there for a century and serves as a reminder of an event which forged a nation ergo let it stand....it is not like some right wing pressure group is wanting to start erecting monuments to Lee, or Bedford Forest or Stonewall in the present day)
That to me is the linear conclusion.
And this opens up a whole nother angle.
Last fall I was in Charlotte NC for my niece's wedding and we were taken on a guided tour of that beautiful city.
The tour took in a graveyard where the city's Confederate fallen are buried and there is a monument which is on the tourist trail.
There must be hundreds of these Confederate memorials the length and breadth of Dixie.
Take the statues down because they cause offence and then we move on to other memorials.
That is all pretty ridiculous I know.
But IMO once you start nitpicking with one statue you end up on a slippery slope leading to God alone knows where.
I said in another post, this is all very Northern Irelandish....where people still take offence about events or speeches which happened a hundred years or more before their granny was born.
As to me saying I was always impressed by how Americans had moved on from the Civil War that is based on my own experience of living in the States for more than a decade and the Civil War was never contentious when discussed among my acquaintances.
Sadly, events over the past few days has disavowed me of that notion
Still.....I think one good thing to come out of this is that there is no possibility that Trump will get to run on 2020.
I bet he will bow out on "health grounds".
And roll on the mid terms in the fall of next year
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To be fair to him he's been drinking lighter fluid for the last three days with frosty jacks for a mixer. The fact he can even string a sentence together should be applauded.
Well done @peteblue
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