Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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abelard said:
or they could just be directly quoting Kevin Phillips, Lee Atwater, et al...

For those who don't know: "You start out in 1954 by saying, “N*****, n*****, n*****.” By 1968 you can't say “n*****” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N*****, n*****.”
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(Goes to polls, tries to vote for Trump again as a response to the above.)

Calling us (me) racist does not make it so.

You're not helping yourself here. It's not working anymore. The effect is like the stuff they spray on walls in urban areas so the graffiti can be hosed right off.
 
catcherintherye said:
His polling numbers were very strong though mate. What is true though is the campaigns would have taken a very different route. For the Establishment it would have been a nightmare, but I do think they'd have swung more behind Trump in exchange for him moderating his message. How that would have played out, and whether he could he kept his authenticity as a candidate of change alongside that process would have been the interesting question.
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Yes I agree, Sanders would certainly have been a candidate of change. I saw comparisons with The Sun vs. Neil Kinnock, particularly in 1992 which was the only election in which it appeared credible that Labour might have won under him, only on a far more vicious scale against Sanders. The portrayal would have been that he would be disastrous for the economy at a time when Trump was offering jobs for all and immigrants out.

I would certainly have been interesting to see how Sanders would have done, but I wouldn't underestimate the visceral contempt that exists in the American media and even mainstream society for anything that is termed Socialism/"The Left".

It has subsequently been woven into the whole political discourse since McCarthyism and The Cold War and you could argue that distrust/suspicion of socialism and socialists is ingrained in popular culture in The USA.

Both Trump and Sanders would have been anti-establishment candidates, only Trump is more socially anti-establishment and Sanders economically. There would have been significant ammunition for the Trump campaign and he would have found himself aided and abetted by large sections of the media too.
 
brieverton said:
There would have been significant ammunition for the Trump campaign and he would have found himself aided and abetted by large sections of the media too.
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I really don't think so, there was no candidate the democrats could have put forward where Trump would have been painted as anything but a dangerous buffoon
 
JLW said:
Completely irrelevant!!! He was voted for by all colours and religion to get the presidency.
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How is it irrelevant? You're justifying his immigration stance by saying minorities voted for him. They didn't.

He did do slightly better with minorities than Romney did in 2012, and it certainly helped him in some states, but still:

80% of black men voted Clinton.
93% of black women voted Clinton.
62% of latino men voted Clinton.
68% of latino women voted Clinton.
While Trump won overwhelmingly with white men and women.

The vast majority of minority voters did not want Trump.
 
mezzrow said:
(Goes to polls, tries to vote for Trump again as a response to the above.)

Calling us (me) racist does not make it so.

You're not helping yourself here. It's not working anymore. The effect is like the stuff they spray on walls in urban areas so the graffiti can be hosed right off.
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know your history

it's not the whole story, but its certainly part of it, as a host of Republican strategists have explained. Lee Atwater is making the accusations here, not me. i don't know why this makes you so defensive.

or did racism suddenly disappear the moment the Voting Rights Act was passed?
 
Moomin said:
It is relevant though for both parties. Break down the demographics and find out how the election was won and lost and see what can be done to win that segment of vote for the next election.
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In that respect yes you right mate! But get a better candidate than Untrustworthy evil Hilary Clinton would also help!
 
Mountfield1985 said:
The vast majority of minority voters did not want Trump.
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Yet, unlike 2008 and 2012, that vast majority was insufficient.

Trump's path to greatness (I can't believe I typed that, but...) lies in genuinely healing those wounds and bringing us together. The media will be fighting him every step of the way to maintain the status quo regarding identity politics, because that's how they see the world. The other templates just don't fit, and most of them... Well, you see what's happened since election night, right? More of that.

(shrugs) We'll see. Who thought he'd ever be elected? Certainly not me. Plus, he did while spending less $ that any Presidential candidate in living memory, in constant dollars.

Perhaps he was misunderestimated. We'll see...
 
abelard said:
know your history

it's not the whole story, but its certainly part of it, as a host of Republican strategists have explained. Lee Atwater is making the accusations here, not me. i don't know why this makes you so defensive.

or did racism suddenly disappear the moment the Voting Rights Act was passed?
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Lee Atwater's been dead a long time. None of these things happen suddenly, including the realization that the world (and the content of people's hearts) has changed since 1968, 1988, and 2000. That's hard for some people to accept.
 
mezzrow said:
Certainly not me. Plus, he did while spending less $ that any Presidential candidate in living memory, in constant dollars.
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Aye, that's the thing. Trump won despite unprecedented opposition from his own party, aggressively negative media coverage on a daily basis, and without anything near the warchest at Hillary's disposal. He's the most democratically elected US President I can think of
 
mezzrow said:
Lee Atwater's been dead a long time. None of these things happen suddenly, including the realization that the world (and the content of people's hearts) has changed since 1968, 1988, and 2000. That's hard for some people to accept.
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it seems harder for some other people to accept that the content of other people's hearts hasn't changed much...
 
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