Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Prevenger17]

Can we try and maintain a level-headed and civilised approach to discussing the merits/debits of Mr.Trump ?

Absolutely Andy. May I suggest banning SNova to facilitate this? Just a suggestion like, not playing the ref

 

[Moomin]

But it isn't racism? Obama does it as part of his regime and it is fine? Trump says he is going to do it and it is racist? It is double standards all over the show here, just because one is a democrat and the other is donald trump.

And the words i relate to are the ones he said to the entire country,



Just to highlight the bit at the bottom. Media bias again in the wording. Left the door open to the fate of millions of other immigrants has he? No he hasn't, who are terrific people was his exact words, so any immigrants who pay taxes and work will be fine in that scenario, anyone not contributing to the country won't be. Is that racist?

Because over here there is a similar argument about all those 'foriegners' who take our jobs and the whole hypocrisy of that as well. But again that is not really relevant because it doesn't support the argument eh?

I was talking about his words in campaign speeches.

Anyway, it's done. He has the job and let's hope he does what he says and create jobs for the American people.

 

[Prevenger17]

Yes, a remember a poll done in America and a Socialist was the least trusted person to rule the country.

And if it's anything we have learned from this election, it's that we should believe polls. Sanders was a much better candidate than Hillary imo, they alienated a lot of blue-collar support when the DNC turned the nomination for their candidate into an uncontested procession

 

[Mountfield1985]

and here is the thing. You have proven my point, you are buying up the media lies just like they want you to. Or at least the face of it all.

donald trump talks about illegal immigrants, you talk about families with 'wrong paperwork'. He mentions criminals, you mention minority communities. See the difference here? It is a generalisation of the point that is being driven by the media that all this is going to happen yet these minorities voted for him? From what i can tell from everything trump has said, anyone legally in america is fine, any criminal who shouldn't be here will be deported. But let me guess, i am also a racist for saying that? I am basing that thought on what he has said to the country, but because i don't buy into this lie that he is deporting anyone who isn't white it makes me a racist as well?


Oh and Obama did the exact same thing!!!!!! But that isn't part of the argument here is it? Doesn't get used negatively against Obama, only trump.

Firstly, he lost every demographic about from white men and women. Minorities across the board voted Clinton.

Secondly, nobody is saying he is deporting every single non-white person. Nobody. Trump has pledged to go much further than Obama did. Trump pledged to deport 11 million "illegal" immigrants. So yes, that would be families without documentation. Yes that would be minority communities torn apart. Yes that reinforces a dangerous message.

Whether he will be able to do it, is a different matter. I very much doubt it. The fact that he gathered huge support on the basis of such pledges is the frightening part. The fact that you think people are only worried about it because "media propaganda" is disturbing.

 

[orly]

Absolutely Andy. May I suggest banning SNova to facilitate this? Just a suggestion like, not playing the ref

And @iliketrumpbutheyguyspineappleonpizzaandCHEESElobantz for balance? You know, the site's number one bigot and open hater of 30,000 match going Evertonians.

I'm sure @AndyC is also making sure that 'potential moderation is under review'

 

[AndyC]

Absolutely Andy. May I suggest banning SNova to facilitate this? Just a suggestion like, not playing the ref

Let me just say that potential moderation is under review.
There is no problem with the thread subject as such, just the nature of some posts that has led to them being reported.

 

[abelard]

Yes, a remember a poll done in America and a Socialist was the least trusted person to rule the country.

And yet a third of them apparently think "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is in the constitution

What is a "socialist" anyways? How does one even define it? Which specific policies tip the balance? How do we know when to call in the Pinkertons?

Pretty much every modern, developed country in the world save one is arguably "socialist," and I'm not sure it really belongs anyways. More of a "best-case scenario Brazil/South Africa, only with nukes and, above all, PR"

Tory Britain also seems to be doing its best to repeal the twentieth century though, to be fair

 

[mezzrow]

Yes, a remember a poll done in America and a Socialist was the least trusted person to rule the country.

(nods) America is not like other places, that way. That's what's so hard for sincere Socialists to accept.

The assumption that we are ignorant, stupid, or racist is an easy answer to a question so complex, a lifetime's study would not cover it.

Our BBQ is so boss, though...

mornin' Abe. It's early.

 

[Mountfield1985]

And if it's anything we have learned from this election, it's that we should believe polls. Sanders was a much better candidate than Hillary imo, they alienated a lot of blue-collar support when the DNC turned the nomination for their candidate into an uncontested procession

I really think Bernie would have been annihilated too.

 

[Moomin]

And if it's anything we have learned from this election, it's that we should believe polls. Sanders was a much better candidate than Hillary imo, they alienated a lot of blue-collar support when the DNC turned the nomination for their candidate into an uncontested procession

He had the young voters motivated and behind him. A lot of what he wanted to do in some ways is similar to Trump. Re-negotiation trade deals, create jobs by infrastructure projects and claimed to be anti establishment.

Bernie hit the nail on the head the other day when he said Trump tapped into the middle class anger.

Maybe we need some chaos to balance the wealth out, just I can't see a multi billionaire helping out the average man but let's see.

 

[brieverton]

I certainly think that if Sanders had won the nomination, he would have been subjected to an unprecedented campaign of vilification and character assassination, that would have made what Clinton had to face very tame and meek in comparison.

You could certainly argue that Clinton had the mainstream media totally favourable to her and her agenda, whatever that was, this would not have been the case with Sanders, and in addition, he would have had to face the sort of opposition internally that Trump had with Republicans.

It's one thing being morally repugnant to vast numbers of people (Trump), another thing completely being seen as an anti-capitalist / anti-American Dream candidate. Sanders would have been destroyed.

 

[Prevenger17]

I really think Bernie would have been annihilated too.

I don't think so

 

[Prevenger17]

I certainly think that if Sanders had won the nomination, he would have been subjected to an unprecedented campaign of vilification and character assassination, that would have made what Clinton had to face very tame and meek in comparison.

Clinton didn't undergo a character assassination, she had the easiest ride from the press from the start to finish. The Democrats could have put Ming the Merciless forward and his visions for the galaxy would have been lauded as "stern but progressive"

 

[orly]

I don't think so

Me neither. He'd have won the University age, women and minority vote by a massive margin. He'd only then need to do well with male vote / $50k+ vote bracket to get home fairly comfortably.

 

[Prevenger17]

I certainly think that if Sanders had won the nomination, he would have been subjected to an unprecedented campaign of vilification and character assassination, that would have made what Clinton had to face very tame and meek in comparison.

You could certainly argue that Clinton had the mainstream media totally favourable to her and her agenda, whatever that was, this would not have been the case with Sanders, and in addition, he would have had to face the sort of opposition internally that Trump had with Republicans.

It's one thing being morally repugnant to vast numbers of people (Trump), another thing completely being seen as an anti-capitalist / anti-American Dream candidate. Sanders would have been destroyed.

Sorry, misread your post. Aye, Sanders would have been ripped apart by the Republican campaign, but what's new? He's a tough old boot and was far more tapped into a deep-rooted desire for change than Hillary. He wouldn't have lost the likes of Wisconsin, that's for sure