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Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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Nice work if you can get it, eh?
abelard
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no luck for me as of yet. demanding that they pay tax just like everyone else is still a disruption too far, it would appear...
It's a good question, Legs. Because Hillary represented a continuation of what had been before. Nobody (especially yours truly) knows exactly what we'll see tomorrow or next week from Trump, and many people really do see this as a feature, not a bug. Her loss was an unmistakable signal that the world has changed in some significant way that we are unable to determine at this time. As each day passes, Trump's election will seem more, not less, plausible and explainable because the fact that it has actually happened makes it more real and more plausible. For some, the answer is the Russians, for others the answer is Obama's fecklessness, for others the answer is technology and culture's creation of the leading edges of what the Kurzweilians describe as "The Singularity [use Movie Announcer voice]." It's like taking a journey as a small child to a place you can't even imagine exists.
If you were relying on any kind of reassuring action from government for the problems we see splashed across the world's headlines, your reassurance ended with Trump's election. That's why so much energy is expended in the media on reminding us how awful he is and why he must go now.
With Hillary in command, we'd be hearing much more reassuring things about the direction of the country and the world.
We make our reality out of the things we hear and experience day in and day out. Our mental picture of the actual future was always tenuous at best, and seems to fray more and more as time passes. The future's not what it used to be. All this while my personal daily life is better than it has ever been, though I do take more ibuprofen these days to keep it moving along.
Entities with the money and skill to go toe to toe with the taxman often come to the table with the personal skills to make a deal at the end that keeps everybody satisfied except for a certain principled few. When it's cheaper, quicker, and more lucrative for the government to make the deal they'll do it unless there is a personal or political point to be made. Have you seen the deficit figures? They need the cashflow.
abelard
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I admire your attempt to edify the whole mess, in classic useful-idiot style... but that is not even remotely how politics work in the developed world, much less the United States.
abelard
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you're not wrong about the diagnosis, but this is basically just an exceptionally abstruse way of saying that the right has even less of a clue about how to solve the mess it's created than technocratic Hillary liberals do.
for me, the answer is big business realizing that there's money to be made in perpetuating the propaganda of the cold war. Right wing media, backed by corporate America, has created a climate of fear and alienation. They peddle this muck to the most susceptible in society.
Sinclair Lewis said "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
My life is fine here too. I'm a white middle class male living in America, I'm presuming you are too.
You know you have summed up the republican majority with that comment haha!!. Now, i am not saying you are republican nor do i care, i feel the majority feel like that, as in, sure its nuts but my life is not affected really day to day, which is true right? I mean i left a job was unemployed a short time and walked into another job and life was not really affected by the madness.
Since moving from Ireland to here a number of years ago and like you being white and middle class, i have found people stick to party and don't seem to care that trump is unstable and simply nuts. It's about their interests and their parties interests that they are willing to put up with him and ignore the lunacy and well they will defend him. Sure he has his base that wanted "change" and he led them with bluster and false promises as any politician would do it actually helped the Republican party as it tapped people who were not liking were they were going nor the candidates put forth i mean there was 21 of them.
It didn't help democrats picking an unpopular choice either and so there fence sitters who although liberal at heart could not stand Clinton and where left with a tough choice.
If anything what this election has done has thrown both parties flaws right out there. The left are aimless and the right are disjointed and have way too many fractions.
What they need to do is change it and allow these separations run as their own party. Mix it up a little.
Yep.
Also, George Carlin said "when fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jack-boots. It will be Nike sneakers and smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley."
It's good to stay engaged with those who disagree. Especially for us useful idiots. That's how the dialectic continues, and Hegel must be served.
Too many echo chambers out there these days.
Sometimes it almost seems like I'm trolling for lolz, but that's not my intent. Promise.
I agree 100%
Also far prefer Carlin to Bill bleedin Burr....
I engage with Trump supporters in my every day life but the more ridiculous it gets, the harder it is to have a reasonable chat. Maybe that's on me but this has gone far beyond the echo chamber, this has moved into the realm of sadism or the kind of addiction that reacts negatively to any help or support.
I think where we disagree is you seem to see 2016 as a broad and complete rejection of the status quo/the elites and a happy embrace of Trump instead.
Perhaps I am just being naive but I think it minimizes the segment of voters that disliked both candidates but decided to go with the devil they didn't know rather than the one they did - Sweet Meteor of Death voters in swing states who had issues in their lives that they wanted addressed but felt Hillary was a crook and were willing to take a chance on Trump.
As you say our reality is what we hear and experience every day so it will be interesting if those in less fortunate positions than ourselves feel if Trump is helping or hurting when they next come to vote.
Yup Steve, realize I've summed up a lot of republicans.
I moved from Ireland about 10 years ago, became a citizen about 5 years ago and I'm registered independent.
I'm probably classed as progressive.
Have to say I had very little interest in Irish politics but I've been fascinated by American politics since I got here.
Every time I think I'm beginning to understand it, something new comes along.
For example, I live in a super blue state but we have a republican governor with the highest approval rating in the country! He may well get re-elected next year by people who despise Trump.
I voted for Clinton but didn't like her. I would have voted for a plate of dog food ahead of Trump and it blows my mind that everyone doesn't think this way but there you go. Apologies for the stream of thoughts rambly post!
No need for the apology actually the highlighted made me laugh.
I am in my 5th year due to get my citizenship soon. Part of me is glad i did not have the vote but the other part was fuming like most about the result haha!!
I too was the same with Irish politics never really had an interest in it. I voted on whomever i liked in my local area be they Fianna Fail, Green, Labour etc....
American politics does have a strange draw that once you get into it its hard to ignore haha!!
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