Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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That last sentence is very apt.
Clint Planet
Utter Cad.
They're not a backwards country - they're just having a midlife crisis.
TX Bill
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Only problem. Dems have zero power anywhere in American government at present. Clearly you didn't read the article as addressed a piece written by someone who didn't vote for Trump and the LA Times certainly is no Trump supporter or supporter of Republicans in general.
So nice cartoons like the one above, while wholly inaccurate, don't address the real problems that the Democrats face getting any possible power back.
But hey, fun cartoon. Mr. Olsen was spot on in his LA Times article. And yet you chose not to address any of the points he touched on.
Very typical.
I've read the article. He makes some good points but the cartoon above is apt.
I'd love to hear your defense of Trump, Bill.
Not a terribly convincing article and not surprising since it comes from the echo-chamber "American Greatness," who are a group of Trump devotees who started a pro-Trump website and journal (as if you couldn't tell from their highly creative name). But the article largely can be boiled down to the tired meme of "Democrats play identity politics" which is a pseudo-intellectual way for Trump supporters who think they are "intellectual" to say "Democrats have different ideals than us." And the other part of the article is the flat-out false ascription regarding the "zealous attachment Democrats have to an uncompromising open borders ideology."
But there is a wrong-headed logic about the LA Times Opinion Piece and the derivative American Greatness article. The LA Times piece rightly suggests that the Democrats didn't have a formal platform on immigration during the 2016 presidential election. This is true (in fact, I would suggest that Clinton didn't really run on any platform except "I'm better than Trump" which obviously didn't work). In fact, very few presidential candidates prior to Trump made immigration a major component of their platform. And then the LA Times piece goes on to say that the Democrats reaction to Trump's policies once he was in office just show how much the Democrats want an open border policy.
Several thoughts come to mind:
1) Trump made several xenophobic and racist statements during his campaign concerning immigration. This is well documented and I don't need to provide links as any internet-savy six year-old could find his direct quotes online. Hence, one explanation for the resistance to Trump's policies is that American citizens (but not Trump supporters) do not like outright racists to hold the highest office in the country. So some of this resistance is simply a reaction to Trump's racism, independent of how much or how little his immigration policies overlap with previous administrations. Citing the Democrat's reaction to Trump's immigration policies (as the American Greatness piece did) is not equivalent to saying the Democrats "want an open border policy."
2) The evidence for how immigrants ostensibly ruin our economy and take American jobs is equivocal. For example, the debate about their economic impact (both positive and negative) is highly disputed since it can be measured in various ways; moreoever, the long-term benefit of immigration into our country has been absolutely net positive--as it must be, since this country was built on immigrants (...oh, wait, Trump is talking about brown immigrants...see point 1 above).
3) Both articles conveniently ignore Trump’s idiotic proposal to build a multi-billion dollar wall along our southern border, based not on any evidence that Mexicans/Central Americans are ruining the economy, but based—again—on simple racism/xenophobia (again, just google Trump's racist quotes about Mexicans). The costs and maintenance of this wall are formidable and its effectiveness is unclear.
4) The LA Times article, like the American Greatness article, like Trump, is obssessed with Obama and the Democrats. The Republicans control both houses and have a Republican president in the White House...why are they so focused on the past and those out of power? Maybe because all their own policies/ideas/proposals are highly unpopular?
5) The American Greatness piece then makes the fascinating statement that
Olsen [the author of the LA Times piece] shared with me [the writer of the American Greatness piece] that although his article made no mention at all of race and merely suggested that Democrats might want to consider making arguments that didn’t insult the voters they were trying to persuade, he was roundly attacked as “prejudiced and racist” just for bringing up the question of immigration.
Wow.
This is a laughably preemptive way to have your cake and eat it too. Do you see the fool’s logic here: we voted for a racist in Trump and we support his racist advisor Bannon thus making us racist sympathizers—but please don’t insinuate that we are actually racist just because we voted for a racist and continue to support him. Thin-skinned identity politics is clearly at play here.
After some predictable "Dems play identity politics" the American Greatness article boils down to the following: Trump supporters want to have a dialogue on immigration reform, but Democrats want open borders and call us racist. I would suggest their logic is backwards: A dialogue on immigration reform is impossible when a racist is in charge. Let's be clear: there is certainly room to revise, revisit, and perhaps even restrict immigration into the US, but so long as the motivating factor is racism and not the economy, such a dialogue is impossible.
Hadn't seen this before
Clint Planet
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My brain is changing: I used to read all of Bill's posts in Yosemite Sam's voice but it seems to have morphed into a proto-Drumpf these days...
McBain
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I did read the article, the response was apt. Noone cares about the Dems Bill. The Dems aren't in charge.
You've let a lunatic run the asylum and all you want to debate is how the Dems are doing.
Clint Planet
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Boom.
Other species??? Although tbf I would rather marry my cat that Kilmeade.
Blueblooded
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FFS! An "obscure" judge you say? Not in the same league as Judge Judy or Judge Rinder then? If you assumed Trump's legal people were competent enough to 'get the wording right' then more fool you. The words of Trump on the campaign trail and that creepy goon of his a couple of weeks ago emphasised that this was a ban based on religion, and there are very specific laws prohibiting that sort of discrimination in the US.
Judges can do whatever they want to uphold the law. It's one of the checks and balances designed to prevent despotism or tyranny or authoritarian over reach. Thankfully.
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