peteblue
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Where and more importantly why?. Until you can begin to understand why the language from some in the west has changed you will never address it........
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Where and more importantly why?. Until you can begin to understand why the language from some in the west has changed you will never address it........
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Pete, I'm a working class lad from the North of England. I'm not part of some "Liberal Elite." I understand (and in fact have been shouting for some years about) how inequality is a poisonous thing which will inevitably bring political unrest and woe.
But I also understand that this is where Fascism breeds and, when it does, it needs to be actively resisted. People are being demonised, Pete, just like the Jews were in the 30s and all you can do is say "Ah, well, you know, this is what inevitably happens. A swing too far to the left and you get this."
Oh, do we? Yeah, thanks for the insight, Pete. Now, how about swallowing a tiny morsel of humble pie and condemning your man, Trump...?
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Man Kicked J.F.K. Airport Worker Wearing Hijab, Prosecutor Says
By CHRISTOPHER MELEJAN. 26, 2017
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- A Massachusetts man was charged with hate crimes after he threatened an airline worker at Kennedy International Airport who was wearing a head scarf, kicked her and told her “Trump is here now” and “he will get rid of all of you,” officials said on Thursday.
The man, Robin A. Rhodes, 57, of Worcester, Mass., arrived from Aruba on Wednesday night and was awaiting a connecting flight to Massachusetts when he approached the worker, Rabeeya Khan, in the Delta Air Lines Sky Club lounge at Terminal 2 between 7:10 p.m. and 9:45 p.m., the Queens district attorney, Richard A. Brown, said in a statement on Thursday. Ms. Khan wore a head scarf known as a hijab.
Mr. Rhodes went to her office door and asked if she was sleeping and, according to the statement, said: “Are you praying? What are you doing?” He then punched the door, which hit the back of her chair. He threatened Ms. Khan and kicked her in the right leg, according to the statement. She moved to a corner of the office but he kicked the door, stepped into the office and blocked her from leaving.
When another person tried to calm him, he moved away from the door and Ms. Khan ran to the front desk of the lounge, according to the statement. Mr. Rhodes followed her, got on his knees and began to bow down in imitation of a Muslim praying and shouted expletives about Islam and ISIS, the prosecutor’s office said.
In an apparent reference to Muslims, he said, according to the prosecutor’s office: “You can ask Germany, Belgium and France about these kind of people. You will see what happens.”
The prosecutor’s office said Ms. Khan suffered “substantial pain” and redness in her right leg.
The prosecutor’s office said that when he was arrested, Mr. Rhodes told the police: “I guess I am going to jail for disorderly conduct. I couldn’t tell if it was a man or woman because their back was to me and they had something covering their head.”
Mr. Rhodes was waiting to be arraigned on Thursday night. He did not yet have a lawyer, and he could not be reached. He was charged with assault, unlawful imprisonment, menacing and harassment as hate crimes, and related charges. If convicted, he could face up to four years in prison.
peteblue
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Trump is a pillock. I think he is an odious person. However my question about why? is still relevant. If people are upset about uncontrolled immigration, or imported terrorism or whatever, it is no point saying 'tough suck it up and live with it' without at least showing some understanding or concern of people's opinions......this is what breeds and promotes people like Trump.......
Clint Planet
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So, instead of condemning Hitler, you'd have said, "Ah yeah, but why has Hitler come to power? Eh?"
You know, Pete, I'm all for trying to understand why certain events come about (though I suspect we have different views of the rise of Trump), but there comes a time when you need to take a long hard look at yourself and ask yourself if you can excuse this despicable person ("Pillock"? That's a bit like calling Stalin "A bit of a bugger") any longer. Incidentally, it's the apologists who are keeping him in power.
peteblue
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No, it's the voters who put him in power......And it would be a good starting point to understand why.....the U.K. Voted to leave the EU and the Eu and the remainers still refuse or cannot understand why......
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Demagoguery? Inciting hatred? Xenophobia? Barefaced lies?
Take your pick, Pete. As long as the people voted for it, it must be okay.
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Populists on left and right exploit the same things, but those on the left blame big business for the woes of the masses, whilst those on the right blame AN Out Group, whether by virtue of race, religion or nationality. I'm no fan of either, but populism of the left is undoubtedly more benign than that of the right as it's economic populism rather than social.
Sadly, what was brushed off as 'project fear' during the referendum in terms of the dominoes that were likely to fall as a result of Brexit seems to be happening, and I dread to think what else 2017 has in store with elections throughout Europe. Every morning seems to bring a new Trump balls up at the moment, and despite the country apparently having checks and balances, he seems to be running rough shod over a GOP run structure that is completely cowed at the moment.
Plus of course, there's the sad risk that by doing all we can to cosy up to Trump we run the risk of being perceived as cut from the same cloth, that Brexit and Trumpism are pretty much the same thing and we are just as racist and intolerant as he is.
I'm inclined to think we're not quite that bad, but in our desperation to secure some kind of post hard-Brexit trade deal, it seems very easy to imagine such a perception emerging.
Sadly, what was brushed off as 'project fear' during the referendum in terms of the dominoes that were likely to fall as a result of Brexit seems to be happening, and I dread to think what else 2017 has in store with elections throughout Europe. Every morning seems to bring a new Trump balls up at the moment, and despite the country apparently having checks and balances, he seems to be running rough shod over a GOP run structure that is completely cowed at the moment.
Plus of course, there's the sad risk that by doing all we can to cosy up to Trump we run the risk of being perceived as cut from the same cloth, that Brexit and Trumpism are pretty much the same thing and we are just as racist and intolerant as he is.
I'm inclined to think we're not quite that bad, but in our desperation to secure some kind of post hard-Brexit trade deal, it seems very easy to imagine such a perception emerging.
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It must be stopped. It simply must.
I've no idea how you go about doing that though, as we're living in a post-truth, alternative fact world where even the most indisputable facts seem to be up for debate. What's more, a world has been created whereby authoritative voices have lost their authority in the eyes of those who support these politicians. When reason has been lost as a tool of persuasion, what is there left?
Clint Planet
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Revolution.
From a review of this thread, it seems to me that Trump seems to have achieved the degree of shock and awe that he was planning to engender. I'm not here to win hearts and minds, instead I just want to let you know where I think this goes if trends continue and his opposition keeps pushing the racist/fascist line of attack. He's not exactly trying to win over Bootle. He wants to win the hearts of Fishtown. And Belmont.
You are the wind beneath his wings. Step back and take a deep breath.
First the shot,
Democrats gleefully welcomed Trump’s victory in the Republican primaries with the expectation that they’d bury him in a pile of condescension for being a buffoon and scorn for being the next Hitler. Better yet, they figured that his astounding rise confirmed everything they had long assumed about half the country and were now free to say out loud: they are indeed a basket of irredeemable racist, sexist, homophobic deplorables. Mainstream Republicans would surely hop on board the progressive train rather than be associated with these creeps.
None of this happened, of course. But why? Because what Trump’s enemies failed to grasp was that he wasn’t winning because of the crazy things he was saying, but because of the phony outrage and affected condescension it provoked. Many people empathized with Trump for enduring the contempt that he deliberately brought against himself. Trump kept playing the role of the antihero, and Clinton kept playing the role of the pearl-clutching fraud.
So I’m a scoundrel because I don’t pay income taxes? Maybe so, but it also makes me smart, just like all the other billionaires who are backing your campaign. So I’m a sexist because you found a video of me bragging about how my superstar status enables me to grab women by the [redacted]? Maybe it does, but allow me to publicly introduce four of the women who have accused your husband of everything from indecent exposure to rape. So I’m a greedy businessman who stiffs my contractors? Fine. You’re a corrupt politician who sells out our national interest to line your own pockets.
Maybe everything they say about me is true, but at least I’m authentic, at least I’m real: you on the other hand, are a bloody, disgusting hypocrite.
So say goodnight to the bad guy! Because this bad guy is now our president.
Then the chaser...
What unites these fake news narratives and gives them greater media resonance than other fables and urban myths is again their progressive resonance. Fake news can become a means to advance supposedly noble ends of racial, gender, class, or environmental justice—such as the need for new sexual assault protocols on campuses. Those larger aims supersede bothersome and inconvenient factual details. The larger “truth” of fake news lives on even after its facts have been utterly debunked.
And indeed, the fake news mindset ultimately can be traced back to the campus. Academic postmodernism derides facts and absolutes, and insists that there are only narratives and interpretations that gain credence, depending on the power of the story-teller. In other words, white male establishment reactionaries have set up fictive rules of “absolute” truth and “unimpeachable” facts, and they have further consolidated their privilege by forcing the Other to buy into their biased and capricious notions of discriminating against one narrative over another.
The work of French postmodernists—such as Michael Foucault and Jacques Derrida that mesmerized academics in the 1980s with rehashed Nietzschean banalities about the absence of facts and the primacy of interpretation—has now been filtered by the media to a nationwide audience. If the mythical exclamation “hands up, don’t shoot” was useful in advancing a narrative of inordinate police attacks against African Americans, who cares whether he actually said it? And indeed, why privilege a particular set of elite investigatory methodologies to ascertain its veracity?
In sum, fake news is journalism’s popular version of the nihilism of campus postmodernism. To progressive journalists, advancing a leftwing political agenda is important enough to justify the creation of misleading narratives and outright falsehoods to deceive the public—to justify, in other words, the creation of fake but otherwise useful news.
I tell you these things because I care. Understand that all I would need to do to create even more Trump support would be to distribute this thread among normal footy-hating (or footy-indifferent) Americans. That feeling you have now when you read the above paragraphs? Feel the bile? How it makes you want to do something? Anything? They can't let him get away with this, can they? Project that feeling to the dark heart of the other.
Consider this when you indulge your assassination fantasies here. What power would your political enemies accrue with his martyrdom? What rough beast would follow? Please, please consider these things. This is what got you Trump in the first place. Self-awareness is a powerful tool.
*zips up Nomex bodysuit*
You are the wind beneath his wings. Step back and take a deep breath.
First the shot,
Democrats gleefully welcomed Trump’s victory in the Republican primaries with the expectation that they’d bury him in a pile of condescension for being a buffoon and scorn for being the next Hitler. Better yet, they figured that his astounding rise confirmed everything they had long assumed about half the country and were now free to say out loud: they are indeed a basket of irredeemable racist, sexist, homophobic deplorables. Mainstream Republicans would surely hop on board the progressive train rather than be associated with these creeps.
None of this happened, of course. But why? Because what Trump’s enemies failed to grasp was that he wasn’t winning because of the crazy things he was saying, but because of the phony outrage and affected condescension it provoked. Many people empathized with Trump for enduring the contempt that he deliberately brought against himself. Trump kept playing the role of the antihero, and Clinton kept playing the role of the pearl-clutching fraud.
So I’m a scoundrel because I don’t pay income taxes? Maybe so, but it also makes me smart, just like all the other billionaires who are backing your campaign. So I’m a sexist because you found a video of me bragging about how my superstar status enables me to grab women by the [redacted]? Maybe it does, but allow me to publicly introduce four of the women who have accused your husband of everything from indecent exposure to rape. So I’m a greedy businessman who stiffs my contractors? Fine. You’re a corrupt politician who sells out our national interest to line your own pockets.
Maybe everything they say about me is true, but at least I’m authentic, at least I’m real: you on the other hand, are a bloody, disgusting hypocrite.
So say goodnight to the bad guy! Because this bad guy is now our president.
Then the chaser...
What unites these fake news narratives and gives them greater media resonance than other fables and urban myths is again their progressive resonance. Fake news can become a means to advance supposedly noble ends of racial, gender, class, or environmental justice—such as the need for new sexual assault protocols on campuses. Those larger aims supersede bothersome and inconvenient factual details. The larger “truth” of fake news lives on even after its facts have been utterly debunked.
And indeed, the fake news mindset ultimately can be traced back to the campus. Academic postmodernism derides facts and absolutes, and insists that there are only narratives and interpretations that gain credence, depending on the power of the story-teller. In other words, white male establishment reactionaries have set up fictive rules of “absolute” truth and “unimpeachable” facts, and they have further consolidated their privilege by forcing the Other to buy into their biased and capricious notions of discriminating against one narrative over another.
The work of French postmodernists—such as Michael Foucault and Jacques Derrida that mesmerized academics in the 1980s with rehashed Nietzschean banalities about the absence of facts and the primacy of interpretation—has now been filtered by the media to a nationwide audience. If the mythical exclamation “hands up, don’t shoot” was useful in advancing a narrative of inordinate police attacks against African Americans, who cares whether he actually said it? And indeed, why privilege a particular set of elite investigatory methodologies to ascertain its veracity?
In sum, fake news is journalism’s popular version of the nihilism of campus postmodernism. To progressive journalists, advancing a leftwing political agenda is important enough to justify the creation of misleading narratives and outright falsehoods to deceive the public—to justify, in other words, the creation of fake but otherwise useful news.
I tell you these things because I care. Understand that all I would need to do to create even more Trump support would be to distribute this thread among normal footy-hating (or footy-indifferent) Americans. That feeling you have now when you read the above paragraphs? Feel the bile? How it makes you want to do something? Anything? They can't let him get away with this, can they? Project that feeling to the dark heart of the other.
Consider this when you indulge your assassination fantasies here. What power would your political enemies accrue with his martyrdom? What rough beast would follow? Please, please consider these things. This is what got you Trump in the first place. Self-awareness is a powerful tool.
*zips up Nomex bodysuit*
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So you're saying that impotent rage only causes the exact opposite of what it set out to do? Who knew?
So like our own dear Brexit, where the amount of hot air expelled only firms up support for it. But why would anyone bother to analyse the beast when a good demo can be organised.
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