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Genuinely curious about these reports. Do people report that they themself had been called a name (e.g., userXX called me this and I'm hurt), or is it people reporting about posts they deem offensive? If you're able to tell me...
Zatara
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I've highlighted the section I'm replying to, but you need to stop multi quoting if you have any serious interest in discourse.
First off you talk of the clinton foundation and supposed corruption as a reason Clinton should not have ran. Yet you advocated trump who is now offically guilty of falsifying legal records, he also incited an insurrection that cost lives, he is also accused of perjury, being unlawfully in possession of government records of a highly sensitive nature, obstructing the FBI in relation to russian interference in an election, election fraud, discrimination against people of black ethnicity in renting apartments, defrauding 5000 people etc etc If you have issue with the clintons, you can't claim you don't care about trumps crimes.
On the Economy, trump took over a economy trending upwards after Obama, his policies are found to have no impact and his tariffs to actually increase federal debt. GDP was around 2% when he took office and around 0.2% when he left. Biden inherited trumps mess at 0.2%, GDP now stands at 3% and prevented a recession with inflation coming down faster than projected and wage growth beginning to at least match inflation.
But we cant talk economy without talking unemployment, trump lost 2,7 miliion jobs, biden has gained 6 million and unemployment has been one of the biden administrations strongest suits. trump also continued to outsource jobs which is something the patriot did prior to his presidency.
Stock market, Biden trending up again, 24% growth last year.
The concept of the US having a worse image under Biden is your most laughable statement, trump was met with out and out protest on foreign visits, a repugnant individual hated for his views and laughed at for his stupididty. Unless you are putin there is not a chance in hell the US image was better under trump.
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On homelessness, both Bush and Obama attempted to tackle this, and made progress, the surge began with trump. It began with trump because he is a sociopath and doesn't care about it. (you can probably empathise), please tell me what policies he enacted to tackle this. Biden has slowed the surge and is looking to do more
FACT SHEET: Biden-Harris Administration Announces Plan to Prevent and End Homelessness | The White House
Today, the Biden-Harris Administration released All In: The Federal Strategic Plan to Prevent and End Homelessness, which sets a bold butwww.whitehouse.gov
On mass immigration, you should be applauding Biden's immigration executive order on extending powers during high surge periods, I'm personally not a fan on humanitarian reasons (again, not an issue for you), but he has outmanouvered the self interested trmp republicans who blocked any action at all.
Further to that there are several factors by which Biden would be my preference, you may or may not care about them.
He rejoined the paris agreement, its not something I get in a froth about but if you do care about immigration you better be willing to tackle climate change. An anti-science moron like trump who has never read a book will see the planet burn to boost his bank balance.
Biden is not anti-union and shows emapthy for the working man, both young workers and low earning workers have been the biggest winners in wage growth.
His medicaid expansion, healthcare being an area of abject failure for trump. Biden has lowered prescription drug cost, protected vulnerable people to have access to insulin. All importnat parts of being a politician that don't make headlines in your 'whats my bank balance' world.
The american rescue plan
The infrastructure law
Inflation reduction act
The chips and science act
Despite all this I personally don't consider myself aligned with the Biden administration, I also recognise that the stock we put in a president is exaggerated and many other factors need to be considered, which is another win for Biden over trump in terms of personal in his party, as trump has to routinely change those around him and his administration for a variety of reasons such as incompetance, refusing to be as evil as him or going to jail. It's a very layered situation that requires a lot of reading to get to any level of understanding. But, as Chomsky says we vote against the worst, and trump is the worst. To support trump you either belong to his cult or the very worst aspects of human behaviour appeal to you. Within the democratic party there is empathy and intelligence that goes beyond a low base level cunning of what can we grab for ourselves. In the Democratic party there is less hate, less bigotry and less phony culture wars that seeks to harm vulnerable members of society to create divide. There is less religious fundamentalism in the democratic party and an ability for progressive activism to change positions.
If you stealth reply to me in a silly multi quote format I won't be replying.
Good say sir.
"I've highlighted the section I'm replying to, but you need to stop multi quoting if you have any serious interest in discourse"
You're referring to a function on the site which is designed to encourage discourse or why else would it have been built?
I and others have been asked to or chosen to use this function rather than clog up the threads with multiple separate responses in different posts.
You post kicks off with this:
"Yet you advocated trump who is now offically guilty of falsifying legal records, he also incited an insurrection that cost lives, he is also accused of perjury, being unlawfully in possession of government records of a highly sensitive nature, obstructing the FBI in relation to russian interference in an election, election fraud, discrimination against people of black ethnicity in renting apartments, defrauding 5000 people etc etc"
We both know there are disputed opinions and facts on all of these issues. I actually find many of these laughable, politcal hit jobs by whoever is the puppeteer behind Biden and pulling his strings. You can even take the FBI agents who were denying the Hunter laptop was 'real' -- i always thought the FBI to be impartial. 50+ of them i think there were. That taints anything from the FBI against Trump does it not?
To be honest I just lose interest when the guilty / felon comments flow...the real estate charges just blow my mind. When i look at that trial it really just shows how things can be manipulated freely by a judge and those behind them.
I also think you're taking a very broad view and not really looking impartially at each instance.
Im guilty of it too. Take for example my saying the economy in NYC has gone downhill -- thats a broad statement. But im speaking about specifically (as i said initially) the 'image' -- where we have opposite views.
NYC image now is the worst its been for 15+ years. The US image now is not far behind.
When i mention 'economy' Im really referring to everything which makes up the economy and the benefits in the good times ...perhaps figures can be used to mask the reality of peoples way of life improving or becoming worse.
Very similar to claming crime has dropped (as laws are 'relaxed) by skewing stats.
Just look at the numbers here and purely on this tell me who has performed better:
Voters Prefer Trump Over Biden on Economy. This Data Shows Why
Biden has delivered the strongest job market in decades but inflation slowed gains in living standards.
www.bloomberg.com
Many of the opinion polls put Trump way ahead of Biden on the economy-- the reason being people had more money in their pockets under him. Thus common sense surely means the reputation of the place would be better when we can see Americans spending money like shopping addicts.
We can see stats showing the economic numbers but thats not the reality when people suffer financially rather than prosper.
Im afraid i dont understand your comments on immigration? I thought it was clear Trump was against the "illegal immigration" while under Biden the doors have been opened.
Reputationally I dont think there are any doubts about the country being seen as being far worse in many areas these days.
Its strange to me that you disagree. No need to continue back/forth on this though i am interested to know who you think has done a better job based on the bloomberg page?
I'm not the only poster who feels this way, as stated I find it disruotive to a discourse, appreciate you not using it here.
Deep state conspiracy theories??? If there are disputed facts then dispute them with facts of your own, don't just make empty statements. Do you believe trump to be innocent of all these crimes?
More empty statements with no content, if you looked atthe trial then which parts do you feel have been manipulated by the judge? The most glaring part of the trial is the glaring incompetence of trump and his defence, perhaps he has not paid the bills or fired to many lawyers to hire anyone decent.
The economy can be quantified, and the stats dispute your 'image' of it. The image of Bidens economy has been a fair distance off the truth of it and the economy has been the number one public issue, that will hopefully be a plus for Biden as the confidence figures are turning his way.
Again, and empty statement that is not abcked up by anything other than right wing opinion pieces, only the nation of hungary with a prime minister of facist leanings has a better view of USA under trmp than Biden, trump is loathed and laughed at throughout the world by and large and this is statistically proven.
False figures against your anecdotal stories or 80s movies, if the figures are falae show me the real ones, the economy is quantifiable.
Again, show me the real figures if the ones you clearly guessed about are true
Its a paywall article, I wont be contributing bloombergs coffers thank youJust look at the numbers here and purely on this tell me who has performed better:
Voters Prefer Trump Over Biden on Economy. This Data Shows Why
Biden has delivered the strongest job market in decades but inflation slowed gains in living standards.
Based on more guesswork, what are you talking about? Show your research.
I assumed you would support Bidens executive order on immigration surges? Assumming you knew of it that is, its very recent news and exposes the tribalism of the republican party and lack of sincerity in their actions.
It isn't on a glabal scale, quite the opposite, simply put you are wrong, if not prove it.
I can't read the bloomberg page, have you nothing to say on the legislation enacted by the Biden administration? if trump gets elected having a global leader who doesn't believe in climate change?
Again, you have written a lot and said barely anything at all, it is all of a subjection collection of bias opinions with nothing to back it up.
Zatara
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Ive made my comments and views. It's all common sense when you look in a non-biased way -- I have zero 'skin in the game'.
As my points are correct, you claim I am biased. While 'playing to the crowd'.
If Biden was a superior president to any of the others over the past decade and a half, I would say so. He is not.
Purely based on my points of a broad nature while you want to argue how Trump is "bad" and is "guilty". Extremely simplistic viewpoints and of course biased.
My point was, has and always remained about 'perception'. You're referencing things which have no semblence of reality if you think most foreigners are looking at specific things Bidens team may or most likely not be doing.
What relevance are any of those things to my point, they are of no relevance.
The stats certainly do not "dispute my image" of anything -- if you want stats, I've linked the bloomberg article. If you dont want to read an article on Bloomberg then im not sure how that is my problem.
You're making blanket statements about fascism while ignoring the behaviour of foreign Governments under Trump and under Biden.
I think you're trying to 'play to the crowd' and you havent actually made a single relevant point that contradicts my own.
In a thread with extreme bias, it's not hard to see your own anger and bias.
Claiming things you disagree with as being "right wing" and "fascist"...demanding evidence and facts while not opening and blaming others for your choice not to look at them...
Really, what is the point. Point scoring on the internet in a biased thread is not for me.
Hahaha
Your points are all opinions, personal ones.
This doesn't mean anything ffs, you are not despite what you may think the arbiter of the world to lazily declare a winner on global matters, you have to do some reading and research and present it as an argument.
The graph I presented was on perception, here it is again. Not everyone is so lazy, specific actions will influence opinions.
Its behind a paywall
What?
I've presented plenty of evidence to dispute your opinions, you haven't made any points just opinions. There is a reason the crowd is so against you.
What isn't? present a quote.
Again, present a quote, what specifically are you referring to? Yes, that is how we further understanding, you investigate a claim, question or hypothesis and present your opinion with supporting evidence. If you just lazily present an opinion and say 'I think I'm right because I think i am right', you can't expect to be taken seriously
I think you are still on zero
Zatara
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1: Your points are all opinions, personal ones.
I have remained on point about perception:
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the ability to see, hear, or become aware of something through the senses.
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the state of being or process of becoming aware of something through the senses.
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a way of regarding, understanding, or interpreting something; a mental impression.
"Hollywood's perception of the tastes of the American public"
I hope you see that perception doesnt involve a chess match or digging through the internet to find supporting arguments and documents.
That seems to be what you want me to do, present a structured argument. That is in fact an unrelated approach to my initial points as you can see the definition above.
2: Your chart showing "perception" as you deem it is regarding world affairs and a President.
I am talking about the perception of NYC / US. That means the place internally as viewed by the outside world -- I am not sure how me commenting NYC is and has gone downhill based on perception relates to how a US president would be "doing the right thing in relation to global affairs".
So your enormous evidence (which i never asked for) is irrelevent -- a totally different topic.
3: Again, you repeatedly ask for quotes, documents, stats. There are some in a bloomberg article which i have presented the link to. You choose not to read it, that is your choice. I dont need any reason why you choose not to open it, its fine.
At the same time, you cannot continue to ask for things after choosing not to read what is presented to you. That is also fine.
I didnt realise my talking about branding and perception equates to a debate on incredibly different topics that you choose to put forward.
Fascism and racism being mentioned...I mean those are your perceptions of Trump.
Likewise on a global level and look at Hamas, NKorea, Iran, Russia, China...all made moves with Biden president.
Under Trump...nothing to this extent...not even close. It seems to me there is a reason for that.
4: You accuse me of bias. Look at the thread title, look at the general anti-trump vibe in the thread. You dont need to be a mensa member to see its a thread built on bias and you are part of that group and dislike (hate?) Trump.
As i continue to repeat, I have no skin in the game, there is no gold medal or financial or even a satisfaction to discuss whether Trump is bad or Biden is good. I dont care if one us an angel and the other a devil.
I am simply saying what many others believe (not exclusively trump supporters and certainly not solely Americans) which is regarding NYC and the US. In additon part of that (as i said earlier) is certain (not all) charges against trump were and are politically motivated. How is this not obvious.
Some dont care, some laugh about him, some feel vindicated and others (like me) believe they are extremely biased. Just becauee you hate someone doesnt always mean you cant believe in unjustness against them.
5: Again, you are asking for quotes, stats etc and saying you have presented xyz but you have not presented relevant information.
If you can present something stating that the majority of non bias persons believe NYC and US is a better place thesedays when the perception of many is what they see in the media and views online then go ahead -- to date you have not.
I dont need that and never asked for it but you claim you have done so. Again, you have not.
However, I have presented a single bloomberg link that is relevant as a supporting point. I dont care if you open it or not.
6: "Again, present a quote, what specifically are you referring to? Yes, that is how we further understanding, you investigate a claim, question or hypothesis and present your opinion with supporting evidence. If you just lazily present an opinion and say 'I think I'm right because I think i am right', you can't expect to be taken seriously"
I have presented something relevant, you have not.
Im not sure if you think youre in a classroom or in a debate somehow? Talking about investigate, hypothesis, supporting evidence....accuse me of "lazily presenting opinions"
-- You have literally posted the exact opposite of what this is. This is a poster on a forum that works in the real world and speaks with real people giving a perception based opinion.
As I have stated. Many times.
The fact is I have such little interest in arguing or trying to score points in a TRUMP POS titled thread while you believe me to be biased. Hugely ironic.
Truth be told, you seem to be really worked up about this viewpoint. There really is no need to be.
I have no interest in proving you to be wrong or making arguments for you to believe me and switching sides.
There are no sides...i have no skin in the game. I do not need to score points, i do not need an ego boost.
You come across as angry because im giving opinions which are different to yours.
Its really not a big deal.
My god you are painfully obtuse, I will reply properly tomorrow
right in the feels there from the zatman.
Zatara
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Theres really no need lol
I'm looking forward to it
summerisle
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Kopite levels of cringe. 
kim jong un vibes on that vid. only more laughable.
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Don't waste your time. You can't reason with a troll.
I mean there are data to actually determine subjective perceptions of NYC by tourists. And something called "Destination image" plays a role, which is shown to be modified by the visitor's political views, e.g., progressives were less likely to visit Alabama due to its perceived conservative politics; conservatives are less likely to visit NYC due to its seeming progressive politics.
City Perception Survey – Institute for Urban Strategies
The Institute for Urban Strategies at the Mori Memorial Foundation analyzes the image of 8 target cities(London, New York, Tokyo, Paris, Singapore, Seoul, Hong Kong, Shanghai), and outlines the special characteristics of each city.
mori-m-foundation.or.jp
Here's a recent video by FOX news interviewing foreign tourists in NYC.
And here is a most recent report from the NY comptroller showing the almost every metric for tourism has recovered to near-preCovid levels, and tourism is only expected to grow. [This report was characteristically misrepresented by the NY Post, which stated crime was a major reason for the non-recovery, but didn't choose to emphasize the fact that *everything* has changed since Covid, so even using pre-covid metrics might not be the best benchmarks]
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