Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[tsubaki]

Aye, I think a lot of people underestimate the segment of the disaffected left for who Trump was a more viable candidate. I'm not American, but that's certainly how I felt. Looking around the thread, you can see plenty of others, not least Corbynites like Davek. There's a clamour for radicalism on both sides and only the right are addressing it.

There is, but that does sort of let the moderates off the hook a bit. There are loads of people on the left who are addressing the issues at hand - had moderates in charge of the DNC not actively blocked Sanders to the extent that they did, he may well have been able to win the primaries and would almost certainly have gone on to beat Trump.

Over here of course Corbyn has been able to beat the moderates consistently, though of course much of the PLP remain in a state of opposition even though they can all see what is happening out there.

 

[Prevenger17]

Brilliant post this Prev, even though I don't share the Trump enthusiasm

He could be a disaster mate. The truth is, nobody effing knows.

 

[abelard]

Hanging your hat on issues that matter little now not helping your cause.

The Dems are in serious trouble. Massive losses from the WH down through Congress, governorships, state houses, etc....

Yep, the legacy of Obama being utterly repudiated.

But yeah, you won some elections in the past.

how often do you read things you disagree with? (excluding internet forums)

if you want to be better than them, just... be better than them.

red fish, blue fish... both ultimately behave in exactly the same way.

 

[Tubey]

For all the people making claims about Nazi Germany and the 30s, before you post anything else can you please go away and read Konrad Heiden's "The Fuhrer", which is probably the best and certainly the most insightful account of the society and conditions that allowed Hitler to come to power, written by someone who actually witnessed them. Otherwise you are just making yourselves look ridiculous.

edit: you don't even have to buy it - here is a link to the whole book online

It's weird to me that you think I haven't (if you were referring to me). He and Fest are required reading before commenting on the subject, as are many others.

I am extremely confident when discussing both World Wars. To simplify, if your view is anything other than the collapse of the Weimar Republic and hyperinflation resulting in the rise of extremism leading to NSDAP prominence from a desperate populace, whose dignity had been shattered by the poorly judged Versaille treaty, then it's objectively the wrong view.

It's known as 'the perfect storm', and the parallels to Trump are very easy to make, and are largely accurate. Again, that's not calling him a Nazi - it's just describing and comparing the political set up that has allowed him to come to power.

 

[Tubey]

I'm not the one continuing to embarrass myself on here buddy boy.

You really are though. You don't actually counter anything I've said. Indeed, you never have and never will - but at least you're not openly calling me a "prick" now eh, instead of actually discussing things? So a marginal improvement.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Hah.

Shut it. People have spoken. Democracy.

 

[Prevenger17]

I'm enjoying Bill's return, I have to say.

 

[tsubaki]

It's weird to me that you think I haven't (if you were referring to me). He and Fest are required reading before commenting on the subject, as are many others.

I am extremely confident when discussing both World Wars. To simplify, if your view is anything other than the collapse of the Weimar Republic and hyperinflation resulting in the rise of extremism leading to NSDAP prominence from a desperate populace, whose dignity had been shattered by the poorly judged Versaille treaty, then it's objectively the wrong view.

It's known as 'the perfect storm', and the parallels to Trump are very easy to make, and are largely accurate. Again, that's not calling him a Nazi - it's just describing and comparing the political set up that has allowed him to come to power.

It wasn't aimed at you, though reading your last two paragraphs suggests to me that it should have been.

 

[Tubey]

Haha, careful there buddy, while I'm all on board the Trump train, broad statements like that don't help either. Obama had to deal with the fallout from the financial collapse and was never really allowed to follow through on any vision he had due to stubborn opposition by Republican controlled houses. He did quite a bit, all things considered, not to mention being a thoroughly decent human being throughout. He shot par.

One of the reasons I find Trump so appealing is that he has already smoked out a lot of the weasels in the Republican party and has a chance to enact real and radical change for the first time in a long time. Nobody wanted to acknowledge Hillary's christmas list of fatal deficiencies as a candidate. The Democrats shot themselves in the foot when the party hierarchy actively canvassed for Hillary and didn't even bother to check how Sanders' supporters might have felt about that. I also admire how Trump defied the media, his own party, Clinton's limitless warchest and the odds to get the presidency. He's going to force a lot of powerful, elite people to look at themselves.

One thing I will say; I hope he doesn't fall in line with Republican orthodoxy and continues being his own man. Obama, for all that I liked him, seemed constrained by the views of his own party and legacy.

I don't actually have a problem with Trump in power, at least politically. Worst case scenario, he's a lame duck and his extreme policies get shot down even worse than Obama.

The problem is that his rhetoric has given legitimacy to racists, misogynists and so on. So it's the legitimised rationale behind his politics that is the issue, rather than the politics alone.

 

[abelard]

One of the reasons I find Trump so appealing is that he has already smoked out a lot of the weasels in the Republican party and has a chance to enact real and radical change for the first time in a long time

maybe, but it's one thing to win an election campaigning against them; quite another to attempt to govern without them.

conservatives - the thinkers, not the tribe - appreciate the value of being cautious.

the alternative is a government full of "Ollie Norths" - "if the President asks me to go stand on my head in a corner, then I will go stand on my head in a corner"

Or, "if the President asks me to bomb....."

And so on

 

[Tubey]

It wasn't aimed at you, though reading your last two paragraphs suggests to me that it should have been.

Ha OK... Please give me your take on the rise to and solidification of power of Hitler please mate. I'm fascinated.

I'm not actually being that sarcastic either, I'd like to know and, if it adds up, learn from it. But I just doubt it.

 

[Prevenger17]

The problem is that his rhetoric has given legitimacy to racists, misogynists and so on.

Aye, and that is most certainly a thing. I don't believe every report coming from butthurt Twitter users about rampant Donald Trump fans burning their cat, but I have no doubt this has emboldened some utter knob-ends. I can't imagine it will be anything other than a short-term phenomenon. That's still pretty grim, I know, but once America has stopped wobbling from this result it will be business as usual

 

[ilikecheese]

They were normally controlled because it was their guy in office. Didn't matter he accomplished zero, it was their guy. Now it isn't and they're no longer "normally controlled."

C'mon man. This country was on the precipice of an economic collapse when he took office. He stabilized the economy, and helped the nation through economic recovery. He was set up to fail, and in the end we are far better off than we were eight years ago when he took office. There are many things he accomplished in the last 8 years while in constant battle with a Republican House and Senate.

The protests are Trump's fault. Until he addresses the people...all of the people...and offers an olive branch they will continue.

Let's be honest though, if the election went the other way, there would have been protests as well. The man himself called for protests in 2012 when he thought Romney was going to win the popular vote.

 

[abelard]

I'm not the one continuing to embarrass myself on here buddy boy.

 

[Prevenger17]

I notice @SNova hasn't posted in a while.