Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Only recently it was all over the news that Biden held Senatorial documents he wasn't entitled to take(Google it if you don't believe me), and that he had to give them back. Some of them were held in the secure location of the trunk of his car. Believe me when I say the squabbling over return of documents is something that every administration goes through. Often it's not entirely clear what can be held by a President and what cannot. It's why every former regime has the same issues.

That’s an awful lot of words for ‘no’.

 

[LostLegend]

Only recently it was all over the news that Biden held Senatorial documents he wasn't entitled to take(Google it if you don't believe me), and that he had to give them back. Some of them were held in the secure location of the trunk of his car. Believe me when I say the squabbling over return of documents is something that every administration goes through. Often it's not entirely clear what can be held by a President and what cannot. It's why every former regime has the same issues.

evidence
noun

1. the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

You’re flogging a dead horse
No one cares
Your man is done for

Yeah, for the 8,621'st time in the past 8 years the walls are closing in on Trump!!!

 

[Rita_Poon]

Yeah, for the 8,621'st time in the past 8 years the walls are closing in on Trump!!!

"who's gonna pay..."

 

[TN Toffee]

Love that he’s pissed off about Biden’s corvette

Why tf does he know so much about Joe’s garage, which is presumably located in Delaware? What vehicles he parks in it, the thickness of the door, how often said door is open. It’s almost as if he’s talking absolute nonsense.

 

[b-rad]

Only recently it was all over the news that Biden held Senatorial documents he wasn't entitled to take(Google it if you don't believe me), and that he had to give them back. Some of them were held in the secure location of the trunk of his car. Believe me when I say the squabbling over return of documents is something that every administration goes through. Often it's not entirely clear what can be held by a President and what cannot. It's why every former regime has the same issues.

Except every other administration gives them straight back when it is realised that they should not have them. As you are the one screaming "But wHAt abOuT BiDEn?" it's worth noting that it was one of his representatives who found the documents, realised they shouldn't be there, notified the relevant parties and sent them straight back.

What they didn't do is
Have the National Archives ask for the restricted material back
Squabbling for months
Send only send some of them back
Refuse to cooperate meaning a search warrant is needed to retrieve the rest of the material

Mishandling of classified material is bad. It doesn't matter who does it. Just how badly, deliberately, covertly, constructively it is done means it is a bad thing to different degrees.

 

[Prevenger17]

What they didn't do is
Have the National Archives ask for the restricted material back
Squabbling for months
Send only send some of them back
Refuse to cooperate meaning a search warrant is needed to retrieve the rest of the material

Don't forget declassifying them with his mind

 

[dylsexicbleu]

Except every other administration gives them straight back when it is realised that they should not have them. As you are the one screaming "But wHAt abOuT BiDEn?" it's worth noting that it was one of his representatives who found the documents, realised they shouldn't be there, notified the relevant parties and sent them straight back.

What they didn't do is
Have the National Archives ask for the restricted material back
Squabbling for months
Send only send some of them back
Refuse to cooperate meaning a search warrant is needed to retrieve the rest of the material

Mishandling of classified material is bad. It doesn't matter who does it. Just how badly, deliberately, covertly, constructively it is done means it is a bad thing to different degrees.

Nope. Every administration did NOT give them straight back. These fights between former administration's and National Archives over documents go on for years. Some(other than Trump) may still be going on as far as I know. Trump also gave documents back.

 

[b-rad]

Nope. Every administration did NOT give them straight back. These fights between former administration's and National Archives over documents go on for years. Some(other than Trump) may still be going on as far as I know. Trump also gave documents back.

Then I agree completely that they should be dealt with appropriately too.

 

[woomy]

I mean let's be honest here. He will be pardoned. With who he is and what he knows, there is no way he sees any kind of meaningful punishment. Probably other than he agrees to never run for office again.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

Then I agree completely that they should be dealt with appropriately too.

Thank you for the measured reply. I suspect the big firefight in the Trump case is 'obstruction of justice'. It can be a catch all term. There is often a thin line between obstruction of justice and simply fighting an investigation or process. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it say someone has to aide an investigation into themselves. You have a right for instance to plead the Fifth. Anyone saying they know the law for sure on this case is lying. No similar case of a former President and his rights will have ever been heard in the US.

 

[trueblue84]

Thank you for the measured reply. I suspect the big firefight in the Trump case is 'obstruction of justice'. It can be a catch all term. There is often a thin line between obstruction of justice and simply fighting an investigation or process. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it say someone has to aide an investigation into themselves. You have a right for instance to plead the Fifth. Anyone saying they know the law for sure on this case is lying. No similar case of a former President and his rights will have ever been heard in the US.

But your argument seems to be it is unfair that he is being charged with something that is illegal because others have gotten away with it?

That isn't how the law works. His indictment may well be politically instigated (in so much as his opponents have said "let's see if he's broken the law"), but if he has committed a crime, that's his own fault.

 

[dylsexicbleu]

But your argument seems to be it is unfair that he is being charged with something that is illegal because others have gotten away with it?

That isn't how the law works. His indictment may well be politically instigated (in so much as his opponents have said "let's see if he's broken the law"), but if he has committed a crime, that's his own fault.

The law is not supposed to be politically instigated. Where in my post did I say others committed illegal acts therefore Trump should get away with it?

 

[Alan Whittle]

Thank you for the measured reply. I suspect the big firefight in the Trump case is 'obstruction of justice'. It can be a catch all term. There is often a thin line between obstruction of justice and simply fighting an investigation or process. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it say someone has to aide an investigation into themselves. You have a right for instance to plead the Fifth. Anyone saying they know the law for sure on this case is lying. No similar case of a former President and his rights will have ever been heard in the US.

Including you presumably?

 

[trueblue84]

The law is not supposed to be politically instigated. Where in my post did I say others committed illegal acts therefore Trump should get away with it?

The law is blind to who instigates it. It takes an accusation, measures the available evidence and then makes a decision which is beyond reasonable doubt for criminal cases or on the balance of probabilities for civil cases. It doesn't matter if democrats are specifically trying to ruin trump. If he committed crimes and the evidence is there, he is guilty.

I didn't say you think trump should get away with it, but you seem irked that charges are being brought for something you believe others have done.