Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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We'll get to the bottom of 'go nuclear' yet...


He was referring to an alleged exerpt in Ashley Biden's diary where she said Joe would walk in on her when she was showering. Of course, such a diary excerpt has never actually been seen or mentioned by Ashley Biden herself and only exists through reports and memes on the type of website you'd imagine this twerp would read.



Don't let it distract you from the fact that he thinks all women are gold-digging liars and that the trauma of sexual assault is a trivial thing women should be able to overcome in seconds
 
Go nuclear in a football thread. I think that's what any reasonable person would have concluded from my post. Did you seriously think that by 'going nuclear' it meant that I personally was going to take down POTUS in a masterful legal, political and PR campaign? Sheesh.
I thought it was a prelude to a campaign for the USA to become a net provider of energy.

That or a lame attempt to whatabout trumps crimes with that of a lifelong politician whose level of corruption does not in anyway come close to trumps.
 
He was referring to an alleged exerpt in Ashley Biden's diary where she said Joe would walk in on her when she was showering. Of course, such a diary excerpt has never actually been seen or mentioned by Ashley Biden herself and only exists through reports and memes on the type of website you'd imagine this twerp would read.



Don't let it distract you from the fact that he thinks all women are gold-digging liars and that the trauma of sexual assault is a trivial thing women should be able to overcome in seconds
Clearly Ashley was asking for it by taking a shower on the same planet where males exist.
 
He was referring to an alleged exerpt in Ashley Biden's diary where she said Joe would walk in on her when she was showering. Of course, such a diary excerpt has never actually been seen or mentioned by Ashley Biden herself and only exists through reports and memes on the type of website you'd imagine this twerp would read.



Don't let it distract you from the fact that he thinks all women are gold-digging liars and that the trauma of sexual assault is a trivial thing women should be able to overcome in seconds
It's Snopes ffs. Well the diary was found amongst items that were definitely Ashley Biden's. The FBi have admitted as much. What is harder to confirm is the authenticity of the diary itself. The allegations are plausible considering what we know of Biden but they are a bit too on the nose for me to take at face value. Now, I seem to be the only one on this thread who can admit the people CAN have ulterior motives with these type of allegations. If one person can have an ulterior motive 22 people can have the same ulterior motives, especially when most of these allegations only come out during a political campaign.
 
It's Snopes ffs. Well the diary was found amongst items that were definitely Ashley Biden's. The FBi have admitted as much. What is harder to confirm is the authenticity of the diary itself. The allegations are plausible considering what we know of Biden but they are a bit too on the nose for me to take at face value. Now, I seem to be the only one on this thread who can admit the people CAN have ulterior motives with these type of allegations. If one person can have an ulterior motive 22 people can have the same ulterior motives, especially when most of these allegations only come out during a political campaign.
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Again though "alternate venue for some form of justice" is something that should worry everyone, if its applied to every criminal offence.

For harrassment and the very lowest-level sexual assaults, I agree some form of civil remedy should be considered where the victim supports it - however for serious assaults like rape, abductions or murder we cannot have a two-tier system of justice where the wealthy can pay a financial penalty when the rest face lengthy jail sentences. Saying that its more difficult to convict a wealthy person is a justification for improving the standard of and resources available to public prosecutors and the investigation of these offences, not for removing the sentences that the wealthy face if found guilty.

Otherwise we will (and are in the US) end up with an alternate system where victims of rape can be faced a choice of on the one hand with being dragged through the court process, possibly being publicly gone after by the media (as happened to Nafissatou Diallo and Ambra Guiterrez) and at best seeing the perp locked up, or on the other going down the civil route in the hope of getting compo or being paid to go away - something that isnt so far away from the NDAs that Weinstein and other abusers habitually use to cover up their crimes.
But my understanding is it is already applied to every other criminal offense.

If someone injures me because they crash into my car when they are drunk driving it is not my choice as to whether they are prosecuted for it and/or convicted for it. However I retain a legal right to go to civil court and if the jury finds in my favor I may be awarded damages for my injuries. Similarly if someone hits me over the head with an iron bar in the street I can ask that charges are pressed but I have no control over whether the case is brought, what charges are leveled (eg there may be a plea reducing it down to a lesser offense) or whether there is any conviction. However I retain the legal right to take my case to civil court for compensation for those injuries I received in the attack.

If I am raped I could do everything "right" - I could try to fight back/scream, I could immediately file a police report, I could submit to intrusive physical examinations at a traumatic time to provide physical evidence and want to press charges to the fullest extent. However there is no guarantee even then that a charge will be brought, especially if the attacker is wealthy as they a) have superior legal representation making any prosecution more risky b) have political levers to pull to get the case not charged and cast doubt through the press about my credibility c) a sweetheart plea deal, for example Epstein in his original case.

In theory district attorneys bring cases against people they believe are guilty. In practice they bring cases against those who they think they can win a conviction from either by a plea bargain or court case and are influenced by other factors including their own career/political prospects. I fully agree there should be more resources available for criminal prosecutions but I don’t think that means that civil court access should be blocked off.

In civil court the evidence standard given to the jury as far as I am aware is “preponderance of evidence” vs the criminal court of “beyond reasonable doubt”. That distinction may seen small but in cases that often largely rest on one person’s credible testimony vs anothers that can make a significant difference on the verdict.

For instance with Nafissatou Diallo the criminal case against Strauss Kahn was dropped because ” prosecutors stated they could no longer believe Diallo beyond a reasonable doubt, and could not expect any jury to do so either.[59][60][61] Diallo's attorney, Kenneth Thompson, publicly attacked DA Vance, claiming that Vance's office had been abusive to their client, had leaked false information, and sought to undermine Diallo's credibility; he requested a stay in the case which was later denied.“ However there were civil lawsuits filed and a settlement reached.

It is through civil courts that many victims of Catholic priest abuse were finally able to some justice - criminal statutes for charging had often run out, the priests relocated/died etc.

The victims of sexual assaults haven’t had control over what happened to their bodies, they don’t have control of if/what criminal charges are filed or how a criminal case is prosecuted. Civil courts give them a way of taking control back, to tell of the incident(s) the way they want to with lawyers of their own choice. They might not be able to get their attackers to serve jail time but if the jury finds in their favor they can cause reputational damage and get some compensation to cover what are often significant loss of earnings, counseling costs and emotional distress.
 
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