Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[TN Toffee]

- I have to be honest: I don't see a way of sidestepping further political violence here. We've survived that before (eg: 1968) without things escalating to civil war. This doesn't have to be Rome 2.0, but there would have to be some recognition by the partisan hacks on the right that Donald Trump and his followers very much are not their friends. They may not be the first ones up against the wall if the revolution comes, but there would be nothing preventing them from ending up there. Ferrying the scorpion across the stream is a not a good plan.

The wild card for me is Trump’s age. Unlike Caesar who was much younger for all the events you laid out, Trump will be nearly 80 years old at his next opportunity to seize power. His lifetime of horrible diet and fitness is bound to catch up with fairly soon. Who do his cult turn to in his absence?

You’re absolutely right about the partisan media though. If he does end up in power again, he will certainly continue to abuse that power, and he and his base will continue to trot out the excuse of “If Trump does it, it must be justified and therefore is legal.” There won’t a point in which the Fox News’ of the world can lay out a metaphorical Rubicon beyond which his behavior will be over the line. Nothing but unconditional, unflinching loyalty will be good enough for him or his fanatical base.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Who do his cult turn to in his absence?

Will be someone far smarter and even more sinister unfortunately

 

[TN Toffee]

Will be someone far smarter and even more sinister unfortunately

Maybe not more sinister, but it defies logic to think it could possibly be someone dumber.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Maybe not more sinister, but it defies logic to think it could possibly be someone dumber.

Find the likes of DeSantis even scarier tbh. Utter goblin

 

[Martin Alvito]

Will be someone far smarter and even more sinister unfortunately

Right now it looks like DeSantis, who isn't that much smarter but is certainly more sinister. Let's be clear: DeSantis hasn't entered full-on Huey Long territory, but he's edging up to it. If you don't know who Huey Long was, imagine someone as bone-deep corrupt and authoritarian as Trump, but intelligent and pushing the agenda of Bernie Sanders.

 

[TN Toffee]

Find the likes of DeSantis even scarier tbh. Utter goblin

He’s certainly smarter, and has clearly figured out how to play to Trump’s people while also having some appeal to traditional Republicans. However, he still strikes me as a more typical politician who is simply after power for power’s sake, as opposed to Trump who is quickly becoming like a cornered animal who NEEDS power to keep his rampant criminal activity from finally catching up with him.

DeSantis will enjoy support from a lot of Trump diehards, but I don’t really see him driving people to the polls in the way Trump did. It’s just a different type of following IMO.

 

[Martin Alvito]

He’s certainly smarter, and has clearly figured out how to play to Trump’s people while also having some appeal to traditional Republicans. However, he still strikes me as a more typical politician who is simply after power for power’s sake, as opposed to Trump who is quickly becoming like a cornered animal who NEEDS power to keep his rampant criminal activity from finally catching up with him.

DeSantis will enjoy support from a lot of Trump diehards, but I don’t really see him driving people to the polls in the way Trump did. It’s just a different type of following IMO.

Right, DeSantis doesn't have the Caesar problem at the moment, or the rabid following. The problem he (and every Republican politician not named Trump) is facing is that once the "elections are illegitimate" genie is out of the bottle, it's difficult to stuff it back in. Maintaining that base is going to require pandering to it.

I could be wrong about this, but if Trump shuffles off the mortal coil tomorrow I don't think the conservative media ecosystem will be able to paint a Democratic hold of the Senate in November as anything other than election fraud. What are they going to do, publicize a bunch of information about how swing states did a bunch of things in 2021 and 2022 to prevent future election fraud? It's the deeply red states that passed the legislation intended to disenfranchise voters, and the candidates running on a platform of "2020 was rigged" are incentivized to claim that 2022 was rigged if they lose.

We have a real mess on our hands.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Right, DeSantis doesn't have the Caesar problem at the moment, or the rabid following. The problem he (and every Republican politician not named Trump) is facing is that once the "elections are illegitimate" genie is out of the bottle, it's difficult to stuff it back in. Maintaining that base is going to require pandering to it.

I could be wrong about this, but if Trump shuffles off the mortal coil tomorrow I don't think the conservative media ecosystem will be able to paint a Democratic hold of the Senate in November as anything other than election fraud. What are they going to do, publicize a bunch of information about how swing states did a bunch of things in 2021 and 2022 to prevent future election fraud? It's the deeply red states that passed the legislation intended to disenfranchise voters, and the candidates running on a platform of "2020 was rigged" are incentivized to claim that 2022 was rigged if they lose.

We have a real mess on our hands.

You got that right

As I've stated repeatedly over the last few years, I am very pessimistic about our nation's ability to back off the brink.

Fox News and their ilk will have real blood on their hands

 

[Ruairi77]

You got that right

As I've stated repeatedly over the last few years, I am very pessimistic about our nation's ability to back off the brink.

Fox News and their ilk will have real blood on their hands

they already do. Today is the 5th anniversary of the Charlottesville.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Live updates: AG Garland to deliver remarks on FBI search at Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence

Attorney General Merrick Garland is delivering a statement at the Department of Justice in Washington, DC. Follow live news updates.

www.cnn.com

Well, they should have enough to nail him to the wall. The question is whether or not they'll do it. I've always felt that Biden has a strong preference for having Letitia James do the dirty deed, if at possible. The Republicans will call the prosecution politically motivated either way, but it's a harder sale if the facts of the case unambiguously show that Trump is guilty of tax fraud.

It will be interesting to see what Garland has to say.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Answer: not much. Confirmed the search and seizure, owned signing off on seeking the warrant, lambasted Trump as thoroughly as is possible while remaining professional for assailing the integrity of the FBI and DoJ, refused to comment further (presumably to avoid tainting the investigation).

He indicated that he authorized unsealing the warrant and the property receipt, which will tell us actual facts if the judge signs off on the move.

 

[ilikecheese]

The spin will be dizzying

 

[Taifi gorm]

Man shot dead by police after attempted FBI break-in

An armed man who fled after attempting to breach an FBI office in the US state of Ohio was killed in a standoff with police, authorities said.

www.rte.ie

Whilst it's good nobody died. The disparity in scale between the approach to policing the trumpets and everyone else in America is ridiculous. Reminiscent of the behaviour of police bodies in a number of other failed states and dictatorships.

 

[Ruairi77]

Apparently he had classified nuclear weapon info. Great!

 

[Martin Alvito]

Apparently he had classified nuclear weapon info. Great!

One wonders whether this was behind a padlock/locked door, or not. It's not great either way, but if the plans in the nuclear football were just laying around in a banker's box in a basement room to which anyone could have had access, I would want to know that.