Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[McBain]

The thing thats struck me about his Presidency is the complete lack of oversight available. Seems like Presidents can waltz around doing and saying whatever they like without having to maintain any strict public protocols in transparency.

Seems like a major failing and one Trump has taken complete financial advantage of.

 

[summerisle]

Strange.

 

[PhilM]

Strange.

Editing? Still, he doesn't look very well in general.

Do we know this is true? He and his actually went to a fundraising event knowing he had a positive test? Just abhorrent

Do we have any Americans on here who'd be able to clarify any legal ramifications of not isolating if he'd received a positive test?

 

[TN Toffee]

Do we have any Americans on here who'd be able to clarify any legal ramifications of not isolating if he'd received a positive test?

Sure, I’ll give it a shot.

There would be absolutely none. I’m not aware of any civil, much less criminal, penalties in place for that sort of thing in any states. I mean, half the goddamn country still thinks the virus isn’t real. I imagine some individual could conceivably file a lawsuit of some sort seeking damages. However, the end game of that would probably be that any judgement in that individual’s favor would be appealed, eventually making its way before a Supreme Court which Trump has now stacked entirely in his favor, and he would win.

 

[ste d' indica]

Sure, I’ll give it a shot.

There would be absolutely none. I’m not aware of any civil, much less criminal, penalties in place for that sort of thing in any states. I mean, half the goddamn country still thinks the virus isn’t real. I imagine some individual could conceivably file a lawsuit of some sort seeking damages. However, the end game of that would probably be that any judgement in that individual’s favor would be appealed, eventually making its way before a Supreme Court which Trump has now stacked entirely in his favor, and he would win.

Depending on his position at that point, i.e. if the Republicans are done with him, he might be in trouble, particularly if one or two major donors have fallen severely ill or worse.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Do we have any Americans on here who'd be able to clarify any legal ramifications of not isolating if he'd received a positive test?

To give you a very basic idea of how this works here:

- It's not a settled area of law and there is very little legislative guidance. McConnell has been trying to get businesses exempted from liability as a condition of further relief, and the Democrats in the House aren't having it.

- Court cases will be filed/are being filed alleging harm done by individuals harming others by infecting them. Both sides will claim there is legal precedent for their position.

- Over years, those cases will work their way through the legal system. Most likely, we will end up with conflicting messages from two or more appellate courts. Eventually, the Supreme Court may (or may not) decide to take one or more cases in order to clarify.

Being realistic, I would be surprised if the Supreme Court held that someone would be liable unless they were intentionally trying to infect someone, or unless they were grossly negligent in some way (eg: had positive test and did not quarantine). Trump's changes to Court composition wouldn't alter my expectations on this issue area, though it is possible that the new Court might cap damages. (Google 'tort reform' for some bedtime material.)

 

[TN Toffee]

To give you a very basic idea of how this works here:

- It's not a settled area of law and there is very little legislative guidance. McConnell has been trying to get businesses exempted from liability as a condition of further relief, and the Democrats in the House aren't having it.

- Court cases will be filed/are being filed alleging harm done by individuals harming others by infecting them. Both sides will claim there is legal precedent for their position.

- Over years, those cases will work their way through the legal system. Most likely, we will end up with conflicting messages from two or more appellate courts. Eventually, the Supreme Court may (or may not) decide to take one or more cases in order to clarify.

Being realistic, I would be surprised if the Supreme Court held that someone would be liable unless they were intentionally trying to infect someone, or unless they were grossly negligent in some way (eg: had positive test and did not quarantine). Trump's changes to Court composition wouldn't alter my expectations on this issue area, though it is possible that the new Court might cap damages. (Google 'tort reform' for some bedtime material.)

As details continue to emerge, it’s hard not to characterize the White House’s handling of this in those terms.

Also, good point about the length of time it takes this kind of stuff to work it’s way through the legal system. Trying to foresee any outcome based on the court’s current makeup is really a fools errand as it would likely be many years before the Supreme Court ever ruled on the matter.

 

[Martin Alvito]

As details continue to emerge, it’s hard not to characterize the White House’s handling of this in those terms

I agree that the circumstances as reported provide a leg to stand on, legally.

I'd say it's unlikely that Trump would face personal consequences precisely because it is the White House's handling of the situation. It is also notoriously difficult, though not impossible, to sue the United States in its own court system and win.

 

[TN Toffee]

I agree that the circumstances as reported provide a leg to stand on, legally.

I'd say it's unlikely that Trump would face personal consequences precisely because it is the White House's handling of the situation. It is also notoriously difficult, though not impossible, to sue the United States in its own court system and win.

The only qualifier on considering the handling to be grossly negligent is the fact that in the US right now, even that is a highly politicized issue. Depending on which side of the political spectrum they fall on, a judge could realistically view COVID as “not a big deal” and therefore not really find any fault with the White House’s conduct this past week.

 

[BlueTX]

Do we know this is true? He and his actually went to a fundraising event knowing he had a positive test? Just abhorrent

Sadly, it is incredibly difficult to know what is true given the Administration's unrivaled capacity for lying, dissembling and general ineptitude.

Given there was no legitimate reason for the POTUS to arrive late to the debate and thus avoid being subject to a COVID test, that his own staff have anonymously suggested he was sluggish and exhausted at earlier events and those close to Hope Hicks are reporting she is private furious with the POTUS and the rest of the WH staff for not taking the pandemic and safety seriously (as she has generally done) and the timeline statement by the Walter Reed MD leads me to believe, yes, the POTUS recklessly attended functions (perhaps even the debate) while being positive for COVID.

We now know Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin did the same thing. He is now confirmed to have attended a fundraiser after testing positive.

Frankly, Senator Johnson should resign. The level of casual disregard for the health of others is unthinkable and unforgivable.

 

[carlos21]

Sadly, it is incredibly difficult to know what is true given the Administration's unrivaled capacity for lying, dissembling and general ineptitude.

Given there was no legitimate reason for the POTUS to arrive late to the debate and thus avoid being subject to a COVID test, that his own staff have anonymously suggested he was sluggish and exhausted at earlier events and those close to Hope Hicks are reporting she is private furious with the POTUS and the rest of the WH staff for not taking the pandemic and safety seriously (as she has generally done) and the timeline statement by the Walter Reed MD leads me to believe, yes, the POTUS recklessly attended functions (perhaps even the debate) while being positive for COVID.

We now know Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin did the same thing. He is now confirmed to have attended a fundraiser after testing positive.

Frankly, Senator Johnson should resign. The level of casual disregard for the health of others is unthinkable and unforgivable.

Have you been up long mate.

 

[TN Toffee]

Frankly, Senator Johnson should resign. The level of casual disregard for the health of others is unthinkable and unforgivable.

The conduct of the top levels of the Republican Party over the past few days certainly leave their already incredibly dubious claims to being “pro-life” riddled with bullet holes.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[LinekersLegs]

 

[gonetomorrow]

"His vital signs are stable" says Dr Doodley or whatever he's called, after purring about what an honour it is to be part of the team of white coats administering to the sick pres.
I beg to differ!