Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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You wanted me to tell you that Trump's tax evasion is bad. Abelard: "Trump's tax evasion is bad". Feel better?


But not as bad as the selective outrage on the matter of the indefinable liberal stazi in your head. You're all over the place Abe

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But not as bad as the selective outrage on the matter of the indefinable liberal stazi in your head. You're all over the place Abe

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I think you are confusing my own views on Trump with my attempt to describe how Obama-Obama-Trump voters view Trump (one of which matters a great deal and the other not at all).

It is understandable enough, given the current media environment, if a bit dreary.
 
I think you are confusing my own views on Trump with my attempt to describe how Obama-Obama-Trump voters view Trump (one of which matters a great deal and the other not at all).

It is understandable enough, given the current media environment, if a bit dreary.



I'm really not. I've just noticed you seem to care more about liberal reactions to Trump, almost obsessively so, than you do about the actions of the man himself. Everything Trump does ends up in you castigating the "liberal elite" for some reason. It made me wonder what line he would have to cross where you thought his actions were more important and worthy of comment than the liberal response.
 
Do you need me to tell you that I personally accept the laws of gravity, too? Why on earth does my personal opinion about Trump's morality matter? I can't even vote. Will yet another in the literally thousands of identical posts here lamenting the latest outrage change anything?

I am much more interested in trying to understand why Trump was elected - and why even now he could still plausibly win again despite the staggering ineptitude and corruption that we all saw coming - than I am in joining yet another impotent self-congratulatory twitter-bait inspired chorus of 'Shame!'

This means trying to understand why people who voted twice for Obama then voted for Trump instead - which in turn, requires a measure of effort and empathy, rather than lazy, palliative assurances that anyone who sees things differently than we do is an incorrigibly racist Nazi. Four years on, and most of us haven't budged past the denial stage.

Trump, as someone noted here recently, represents continuity in American politics far more than he represents substantive change. Joe Biden, for instance, has devoted his entire political career to making sure that people like Donald Trump can get away with not paying any taxes: (sorry, you might have to actually read something: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/3/21100092/us-trump-kleptocracy-corruption-tax-havens).

I see your "But Trump also....!!!!" coming a mile away, and to most voters, it is irrelevant. Why do you think that is? Are they all racist bovine automatons so dim that they believe everything Facebook puts in front of them?

The main difference with Trump is that he has been always perfectly forthright about the fact that everything out of his mouth is a lie - and in an era where American politics resembles professional wrestling more than anything else, the bar is so low that that it feels refreshingly honest. Trump will never piously sneer at you and call you a Nazi for listening to Joe Rogan. He offers ordinary people the chance to stick up a middle finger at the overeducated hypocritical snobs who remind them every change they get how much despise them - and there it shall remain until they feel they've been made a better offer.

I do not believe that everything wrong with the United States will vanish in a cloud of sulphur and we'll have permission to go back to brunch the minute the evil villain is cast out, and I respond to Trump outrages accordingly.

This is vitally important and is one of the reasons why Trump was elected in the first place. Unfortunately, due to the current political climate I think we (American and British) are further away from asking the questions that matter. I thought Jonathan Pie's USA documentary was good, satirical but I don't think that he was forcing a left sided agenda by humiliating those he interviewed.

There are good reasons why blue states swung to red for Trump is because their industries have collapsed over time and have never been replaced. Look at Michigan for example, blue since 92 but then voted for Trump. With the issues in Flint, the car industry collapsed, roads are one of the worst in America. I can't really blame them for voting for Trump when he said, he was going to make them great again.

For the good of the Country (and World), I am hoping that come November, Trump is out. Biden is no shining light but is the lesser of two evils. I'm not trying to get into a whole different debate but Bernie Sanders would have made a better President for the long term future.

I watched a documentary on Sky Docs the other day called "the Swamp" which was insightful. It showed how foul American politics is when it comes to fund raising and how that decides power and how powerless senators are when it comes to change as the lobbyists have them by the balls. Bernie doesn't seem to get involved in that and though people may not have liked all of his general policies, people like him are the only hope of making real change in the US. Reducing the Gun, Military, Tobacco & Phama influence will benefit the American people more in the long term than these short term policies.

The mud slinging is here to stay, with social media being the most important tool a politician has. It showed in the Brexit vote and Trump 2016, it's much easier to play on peoples fear than relieve that fear. Discover your audiences fear and poke and prod it, until it becomes all they care about. With no one holding social media to account, no control on fact checking then if you don't play the same way, you're going to lose.
 
This notion the working-class voter who voted Obama-Obama-Trump isn't going to care about this issue I find... unlikely.

Loads of those people voted for Trump, not because of Trump, but because they loathed Hillary Clinton. They would have voted for "a ham sandwich" rather than Hillary. That these folks pay more in federal income taxes in most years than a man who claims to be a billionaire capable of lending his own campaign $100,000,000 will resonate.

My eldest son graduated college in 2017. He paid more in Federal income tax than the POTUS.

Barack Obama, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden have all released years upon years of Federal Income Tax reports. All of them paid taxes. All of them had access to the very finest tax accountants in the country. They paid taxes.

Trump didn't release anything. He certainly could. There's nothing stopping him from doing so. He didn't because he pays little or no taxes.

Joe Voter does.
 
I dunno how many times I have said this but surely, he cannot get away with this?!

What does a man have to do to turn his blind followers against him? Racism,sexism, grabbing of "cats", draft dodging, environment destroying, war dead mocking, general discrimination, anti BLM and now tax dodging (there are many more I am sure).


The man is a proper houdini
 
I dunno how many times I have said this but surely, he cannot get away with this?!

What does a man have to do to turn his blind followers against him? Racism,sexism, grabbing of "cats", draft dodging, environment destroying, war dead mocking, general discrimination, anti BLM and now tax dodging (there are many more I am sure).


The man is a proper houdini
he's a cult leader who gives his followers the dopamine hit of owning the libs.
The more crap he does, the more they love it.
The shooting someone on 5th ave phenomenon.
 
It's simple @abelard
Most people who voted for trump never voted for Obama.
A lot of people who voted for Trump who never voted before
Those who voted for Obama and then Trump did it mostly because they couldn't stand Clinton.
Hindsight is 20/20 but even at the time most knew Clinton was not the right candidate but thought she'd have enough to see off Trump.
There was a false confidence.
So there you go,
Some were racist.
Some bought his MAGA crap.
Some hated Clinton.


Biden is also not a great candidate, but he is male which, unfortunately, will make his case easier.
He does have a compelling back story.
He will turn out apathetic voters who were too complacent to vote for Clinton.

The democratic party need to move their old guard on (Schumer/Pelosi/Feinstein etc)
 
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