Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[abelard]

Tax evasion by the rich in systematic in the United States. The media (liberal and conservative) by and large does not care, and the two parties certainly don't either.

When, all of sudden, liberals perform uncharacteristic outrage over the tax evasion of a single individual, for nakedly partisan reasons, most low-information apolitical voters will see it for exactly what it is: disingenuous, performative outrage for nakedly partisan reasons - ring-led by people who can also be presumed to cheat on their taxes.

 

[Prevenger17]

Tax evasion by the rich in systematic in the United States. The media (liberal and conservative) by and large does not care, and the two parties certainly don't either.

When, all of sudden, liberals perform uncharacteristic outrage over the tax evasion of a single individual, for nakedly partisan reasons, most low-information apolitical voters will see it for exactly what it is: disingenuous, performative outrage for nakedly partisan reasons - ring-led by people who themselves cheat on their taxes.

Tbf, every president prior to Trump has released their tax returns and they were clean.

We know that there is nothing Trump can do, no crime that he could commit that will matter to his base, but is there anything he could do that would make you go "that's wrong“? I mean, when would you give permission to liberals to be outraged at something he does?

 

[abelard]

Tbf, every president prior to Trump has released their tax returns and they were clean.

We know that there is nothing Trump can do, no crime that he could commit that will matter to his base, but is there anything he could do that would make you go "that's wrong“? I mean, when would you give permission to liberals to be outraged at something he does?

Ah yes, I see we're at the point where explaining Trump is tantamount to supporting him.

For me, the 'How Dare You Sir' moment was when he said 'Nars'

 

[Prevenger17]

Ah yes, I see we're at the point where explaining Trump is tantamount to supporting him.

For me, the 'How Dare You Sir' moment was when he said 'Nars'

Where did I say you support him? I asked what he could do which it would be acceptable for liberals to criticise him for, and that you too would be outraged at?

 

[abelard]

Where did I say you support him? I asked what he could do which it would be acceptable for liberals to criticise him for, and that you too would be outraged at?

Liberals can criticise Trump as much as they like.

Their critiques will resonate with low-information mostly apolitical swing and/or potential non-voters only insofar as they do not appear disingenuous and hypocritical, which is to say: not very often.

PS - 'Low-information' sound pejorative, but it really isn't - in the United States at least, people who largely tune politics out because they understand on a visceral level that 'nothing will fundamentally change' (to borrow a phrase) have a much stronger understanding of how things actually work than people who consume Fox News or Maddow or Pod Save America every day.

 

[Blue 1]

It's a pity history has forgotten the time that the Italians put Mussolini up against the wall and read his tax returns out loud.

 

[Prevenger17]

Liberals can criticise Trump as much as they like.

Their critiques will resonate with low-information mostly apolitical swing and/or potential non-voters only insofar as they do not appear disingenuous and hypocritical, which is to say: not very often.

PS - 'Low-information' sound pejorative, but it really isn't - in the United States at least, people who largely tune politics out because they understand on a visceral level that 'nothing will fundamentally change' (to borrow a phrase) have a much stronger understanding of how things actually work than people who consume Fox News or Maddow or Pod Save America every day.

I think we all know it's not something that is going to move the needle. In fact, I would say most people probably strongly suspected he is a tax fraud. But just to quote you here:

exactly what it is: disingenuous, performative outrage for nakedly partisan reasons - ring-led by people who can also be presumed to cheat on their taxes.

It's just you deem any criticism of him as disingenuous and performative, but you seem to assess all of his actions through the lens of some hypothetical liberal's reaction to him.

Russia campaign connections = Qanon for libs
Tax fraud: performative liberal outrage

I'm just wondering what you, Abelard, think of Trump being a tax cheat and lying so massively about his financial situation and business acumen?

 

[abelard]

I think we all know it's not something that is going to move the needle. In fact, I would say most people probably strongly suspected he is a tax fraud. But just to quote you here:





It's just you deem any criticism of him as disingenuous and performative, but you seem to assess all of his actions through the lens of some hypothetical liberal's reaction to him.

Russia campaign connections = Qanon for libs
Tax fraud: performative liberal outrage

I'm just wondering what you, Abelard, think of Trump being a tax cheat and lying so massively about his financial situation and business acumen?

Do you need me to tell you that I personally accept the laws of gravity, too? Why on earth does my personal opinion about Trump's morality matter? I can't even vote. Will yet another in the literally thousands of identical posts here lamenting the latest outrage change anything?

I am much more interested in trying to understand why Trump was elected - and why even now he could still plausibly win again despite the staggering ineptitude and corruption that we all saw coming - than I am in joining yet another impotent self-congratulatory twitter-bait inspired chorus of 'Shame!'

This means trying to understand why people who voted twice for Obama then voted for Trump instead - which in turn, requires a measure of effort and empathy, rather than lazy, palliative assurances that anyone who sees things differently than we do is an incorrigibly racist Nazi. Four years on, and most of us haven't budged past the denial stage.

Trump, as someone noted here recently, represents continuity in American politics far more than he represents substantive change. Joe Biden, for instance, has devoted his entire political career to making sure that people like Donald Trump can get away with not paying any taxes: (sorry, you might have to actually read something: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/2/3/21100092/us-trump-kleptocracy-corruption-tax-havens).

I see your "But Trump also....!!!!" coming a mile away, and to most voters, it is irrelevant. Why do you think that is? Are they all racist bovine automatons so dim that they believe everything Facebook puts in front of them?

The main difference with Trump is that he has been always perfectly forthright about the fact that everything out of his mouth is a lie - and in an era where American politics resembles professional wrestling more than anything else, the bar is so low that that it feels refreshingly honest. Trump will never piously sneer at you and call you a Nazi for listening to Joe Rogan. He offers ordinary people the chance to stick up a middle finger at the overeducated hypocritical snobs who remind them every change they get how much despise them - and there it shall remain until they feel they've been made a better offer.

I do not believe that everything wrong with the United States will vanish in a cloud of sulphur and we'll have permission to go back to brunch the minute the evil villain is cast out, and I respond to Trump outrages accordingly.

 

[Prevenger17]

Why on earth does my personal opinion about Trump's morality matter?

It doesn't. I'm just asking what it is, as the only commentary you ever seem to have is that his supporters don't care what he does and says. We all already know this, and even the most ardent anti Trump poster in here has made that observation a million times. Now I'm asking why you don't care that he is a crook and a tax fraud? I'm interested to know. You don't have to answer, I am just asking, poster to poster.

I like you a lot Abe, but I'm not even going to entertain your rambling monologue on coastal elites and some nebulous unknowable of group leftist fascists calling people nazis. It's a short novel version of "PC gone mad!“. I haven't called his supporters nazis, only state what I think of the man, which is that he is almost abnormally stupid, a crook and dangerously unfit for office and that these shortcomings amongst his many others are worthy of note and criticism.

 

[Tin-Tin]

His base still are not having this either which is expected. He's smart enough to employ fantastic accountants, its not illegal - blame the law. FFS! Its not smart or legal avoidance, its evasion and illegal.

 

[abelard]

Now I'm asking why you don't care that he is a crook and a tax fraud? I'm interested to know.

Sigh..... Orange Man Bad

 

[Tin-Tin]

The timing of this is strange, is he implicated or is he being forced to turn on trump for a deal? He will know an awful lot

 

[Prevenger17]

Sigh..... Orange Man Bad

Lol what? You were the last person I thought would whip out "orange man bad" type banter but my question was genuine and I'm sorry you felt attacked.

 

[abelard]

Lol what? You were the last person I thought would whip out "orange man bad" type banter but my question was genuine and I'm sorry you felt attacked.

Lol I don't feel 'attacked'.

You wanted me to tell you that Trump's tax evasion is bad. Abelard: "Trump's tax evasion is bad". Feel better?

Do you need me to prove that I think Hitler is bad? Hitler is bad.

I can also confirm that I accept the concept of gravity, and that the earth is round, too.

 

[Prevenger17]

Here's my shot at an abelard post.

Trump shoots someone on fifth avenue:

Shooting people is as American as apple pie and baseball. This will be seen for what it is: selective performative outrage by the liberal coastal elites who don't care about the victim. This is "lock her up" for college educated hippies, ring-led by a liberal gestapo who would rather swish expensive brandy in their palatial bubbles than actually spend a second with the filthy working people they purport to stand up for.

Let's not forget that murderous clown John Wayne Gacy was a democrat. Why then now do these liberal fascists, quick to condemn those who disagree with them as Nazis, suddenly feel outrage at this single death? Trump's base won't and shouldn't care. He doesn't sneer at them and they, in turn, appreciate that he tells it like it is.

How did I do?