Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Disgruntledgoat said:
But I'm confused. The people who elected him to parliament must have been 100% correct.
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And the people who elected Hindenberg who promoted Hitler to the chancellorship must have been completely right too. And luckily they saw through all the propaganda that tried to justify invading France, Poland and Russia. People have such an amazing ability to see through propaganda, it's a wonder anyone spends any money on it at all
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
But I'm confused. The people who elected him to parliament must have been 100% correct.
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I admit that was a really bad call and difficult case to answer. However the economic circumstances and conditions that existed in Germany at the time were so extreme, it is perhaps not so surprising.
 
toffee9 said:
I admit that was a really bad call and difficult case to answer. However the economic circumstances and conditions that existed in Germany at the time were so extreme, it is perhaps not so surprising.
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So they bought into the Nazi party's propaganda of the "stab in the back" and all their problems being the fault of communists and jews?

Well I never...

Well, as long as there's only one example in recorded history of voters falling for lies and choosing the populist buffoon who has the easy solution to all their problems and blames everybody else, then I'm sure your theory holds up.
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
So they bought into the Nazi party's propaganda of the "stab in the back" and all their problems being the fault of communists and jews?

Well I never...

Well, as long as there's only one example in recorded history of voters falling for lies and choosing the populist buffoon who has the easy solution to all their problems and blames everybody else, then I'm sure your theory holds up.
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The punishing reparations imposed by the allies coupled with the hyperinflation and starvation prevalent was probably more powerful a motivator than any propaganda...
 
toffee9 said:
The punishing reparations imposed by the allies coupled with the hyperinflation and starvation prevalent was probably more powerful a motivator than any propaganda...
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You're right, the National Socialists definitely didn't use the crisis as a way to get people to listen to their hateful agenda and blame everybody else (rather than blaming Germany for invading France and the low countries). They were just down there in the Bierhalle, minding their own business when suddenly they were in power!
 
toffee9 said:
I admit that was a really bad call and difficult case to answer. However the economic circumstances and conditions that existed in Germany at the time were so extreme, it is perhaps not so surprising.
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Okay, so people always see through propaganda and make the right choice, except in times of economic crisis. What about George Bush Jr.? Perfect choice, war in Iraq and Afghanistan the will of the people?
 
toffee9 said:
Is this the Russian conspiracy stuff again? Facebook ads influencing people. I'm really skeptical of that. If all the TV exposure of foreign leaders saying it would be a disaster, businesses telling their employees and threatening to relocate, politicians claiming it will end the union, cause a huge recession, all of the political parties advocating remain, yet this was outdone by Facebook?

I suspect that if there were fake ads on Facebook that they were dwarfed by the propaganda impact of the government sending a leaflet to every household in the country telling them to back remain and the consequences for not doing so - or the millions spent by the remain campaign and its major donors on Facebook itself.
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That just about sums up the extent of your understanding, or lack thereof, about the subject of which you pontificate.

Your argument is debunked but you bluster on citing the fact you are “sceptical“ as the reason you are continuing to make a fool of yourself.
 
toffee9 said:
Now all you have to do is tell me why they are the dumbest posts in your opinion, which should be easy for a smart fellow like yourself ...
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It has been explained to you by multiple posters already. But since you asked so politely and in such a complimentary manner, here’s just the two most obvious reasons that spring to mind:

The idea that “the people” always see through propaganda and vote for the “right person” is just . How did the 1932 elections in Germany go, under your hypothesis?

But god forbid I violate Godwin’s (now suspended) Law... instead, let’s assume for a moment that you are correct and that “the people” always make the correct decision...

3 million more people voted for Hillary Clinton than for Donald Trump.

Secondly, your assertion that Brexit is an example of a FAILURE of propaganda is ridiculous to the point of self parody. As has been mentioned previously it is precisely BECAUSE of propaganda (both during the campaign and arising from a media environment that had existed for the previous several decades) that Leave was able to win.
 
toffee9 said:
Been impeached without a trial? Yes, that to me sounds like the presumption of innocence alive and kicking in the Democratic party. So much for upholding the constitution. It is all a farce and people know it. A major own goal.
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Yes. That's how the process outlined in the Constitution works. How it "sounds" to you is immaterial.

Ex. Bill Clinton was impeached. He was not convicted and removed from office by the Senate.
 
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