Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

[JimmyJeffers]

If propaganda works, why does Putin and all these others corrupt leaders have to rig elections?

If propaganda works why did Leave beat Remain when Remain had all of the world leaders, all of the political parties (except UKIP), all of the celebrities, all of the big companies and conglomerates, all of the television and radio press, the huge donations.... etc etc. They still lost.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

That is precisely how elections work. The people are the best judges and the only judge that matters. All of the propaganda is irrelevant and they will always see through it all.

If propaganda works, why does Putin and all these others corrupt leaders have to rig elections?

If propaganda works why did Leave beat Remain when Remain had all of the world leaders, all of the political parties (except UKIP), all of the celebrities, all of the big companies and conglomerates, all of the television and radio press, the huge donations.... etc etc. They still lost.

I mean god knows you had a lot of competition, but congratulations, you’ve managed to come up with the two dumbest posts I’ve ever seen on GOT

 

[BlueTX]

Is that why the Dems are stalling the impeachment process? Why not let it proceed?

The POTUS has been impeached. There's no requirement when or if the House is to refer the articles to the Senate. Why so eager?

 

[verreauxi]

Let the people make their own minds up. The election in November will show us who is right. I'm backing Trump on the killing of terrorists though and for sending a message that terrorists will not be tolerated regardless of where they hide.

You don't understand what "terrorist" means. Semantic as it is, Soleimani targeted US soldiers (which is obviously criminal and deserves retalliation from a government standpoint) but he hasn't targeted US civilians, which is the definition of terrorism. <--This, along with a long list of differences (Bin Laden was on the FBI most wanted list, Bin Laden was pursued by 3 administrations, Bin Laden was pursued by Interpol and Libya, Bin Laden wasn't a high-ranking leader of a foreign nation, Bin Laden wasn't fighting on the side of the USA against ISIS, etc.) between the Soleimani killing and the Bin Laden killing are what makes your forced equivalence between the two quite vacuous.

 

[verreauxi]

That is precisely how elections work. The people are the best judges and the only judge that matters. All of the propaganda is irrelevant and they will always see through it all.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is even worse than those fake twitter accounts coming from Moscow.

 

[verreauxi]

Apparently out-and-out fear-mongering, systematized promotion of selfishness, and racism is NOT propaganda. I just learned this from @toffee9

 

[Khalekan]

If propaganda works, why does Putin and all these others corrupt leaders have to rig elections?

If propaganda works why did Leave beat Remain when Remain had all of the world leaders, all of the political parties (except UKIP), all of the celebrities, all of the big companies and conglomerates, all of the television and radio press, the huge donations.... etc etc. They still lost.

You shoot your own argument down.

It was precisely because Leave won the “propaganda” war that we ended up with Brexit.

Remember the NHS bus, the posters depicting an imminent Turkish invasion etc?

The “propaganda” was delivered into millions upon millions of Facebook and Twitter accounts.

Leave also had plenty of billionaire backers like Mr. Banks .....in fact the Leave campaign was found to have contravened overspending rules, an overspend which funded the “propaganda”.

And maybe “all the political parties” officially backed Remain but most Tory M.P.s were for Brexit, including the current PM and his motley crew in cabinet.....and of course the Labour Party was led by a man with Brexiter credentials stretching back decades.

So plenty of politicians in those parties campaigned against the party line.

 

[ilikecheese]

In the minds of conservatives All Things Considered is the equivalent of Hannity. But yeah people see through propaganda.

 

[toffee9]

The POTUS has been impeached. There's no requirement when or if the House is to refer the articles to the Senate. Why so eager?

Been impeached without a trial? Yes, that to me sounds like the presumption of innocence alive and kicking in the Democratic party. So much for upholding the constitution. It is all a farce and people know it. A major own goal.

 

[toffee9]

I mean god knows you had a lot of competition, but congratulations, you’ve managed to come up with the two dumbest posts I’ve ever seen on GOT

Now all you have to do is tell me why they are the dumbest posts in your opinion, which should be easy for a smart fellow like yourself ...

 

[toffee9]

You don't understand what "terrorist" means. Semantic as it is, Soleimani targeted US soldiers (which is obviously criminal and deserves retalliation from a government standpoint) but he hasn't targeted US civilians, which is the definition of terrorism. <--This, along with a long list of differences (Bin Laden was on the FBI most wanted list, Bin Laden was pursued by 3 administrations, Bin Laden was pursued by Interpol and Libya, Bin Laden wasn't a high-ranking leader of a foreign nation, Bin Laden wasn't fighting on the side of the USA against ISIS, etc.) between the Soleimani killing and the Bin Laden killing are what makes your forced equivalence between the two quite vacuous.

I don't agree. Iran is involved in all kinds of terrorism not just against the US. A recent relevant example would be the blowing up of refineries in Saudi were incredible damage was done by Iran for a political opinion. Where were Iran's diplomats brokering for peace and asking for Saudi to stop its war with Yemen? Instead it just destroys Saudi (and global) economic interests and tries to disguise its role in the attack.

 

[toffee9]

You shoot your own argument down.

It was precisely because Leave won the “propaganda” war that we ended up with Brexit.

Remember the NHS bus, the posters depicting an imminent Turkish invasion etc?

The “propaganda” was delivered into millions upon millions of Facebook and Twitter accounts.

Leave also had plenty of billionaire backers like Mr. Banks .....in fact the Leave campaign was found to have contravened overspending rules, an overspend which funded the “propaganda”.

And maybe “all the political parties” officially backed Remain but most Tory M.P.s were for Brexit, including the current PM and his motley crew in cabinet.....and of course the Labour Party was led by a man with Brexiter credentials stretching back decades.

So plenty of politicians in those parties campaigned against the party line.

Is this the Russian conspiracy stuff again? Facebook ads influencing people. I'm really skeptical of that. If all the TV exposure of foreign leaders saying it would be a disaster, businesses telling their employees and threatening to relocate, politicians claiming it will end the union, cause a huge recession, all of the political parties advocating remain, yet this was outdone by Facebook?

I suspect that if there were fake ads on Facebook that they were dwarfed by the propaganda impact of the government sending a leaflet to every household in the country telling them to back remain and the consequences for not doing so - or the millions spent by the remain campaign and its major donors on Facebook itself.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

If the wrong person is elected, they get thrown out. If Trump is considered to be the wrong person in November, he will lose.

Prosecution calls Adolf Hitler, your honour.

 

[toffee9]

Prosecution calls Adolf Hitler, your honour.

Adolf Hitler, true, had an elected position. He was a leader of his party, but he had to be propped up by other parties to become chancellor. He didn't face an election after getting into that position though, so couldn't be thrown out - which is my point. As I'm sure you know he went on to use emergency powers granted by his parliament to strengthen his grip in many ways. I would suggest to you that the reason he didn't let there be another free and fair election is precisely because the people would have chucked him out.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Adolf Hitler, true, had an elected position. He was a leader of his party, but he had to be propped up by other parties to become chancellor. He didn't face an election after getting into that position though, so couldn't be thrown out - which is my point. As I'm sure you know he went on to use emergency powers granted by his parliament to strengthen his grip in many ways. I would suggest to you that the reason he didn't let there be another free and fair election is precisely because the people would have chucked him out.

But I'm confused. The people who elected him to parliament must have been 100% correct.