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Barry Rathbone said:
No need to rush regarding fossil fuel exhaustion new supplies are being found daily in addition all the new technologies are built on fossil fuel usage with battery technology being contingent on slave labour digging out lithium etc. The other matters you raise have nothing to do with man made co2 the general husbandry of the planet re sea level movement soil erosion is nothing new Holland being a good example of how land can be reclaimed/protected even when wearing clogs
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So, even when I say "lets say you're right, why shouldn't we adress these?" You're answer is "There are no problems, lets just carry on as we are"?

Soil erosion probably isn't a problem where you live. But if you live in a country where agriculture is an enormous part of not just how people make their living, but is the main way to feed people... then it's a bit more of an issue. If large portions of your country are being deforested then turned to desert to fuel the world's desire for cheap meat, then you may see it differently.

Air pollution is causing deaths all over the developed world.

Over fishing in South Africa (thanks to 5 enormous factory ships working off the coast the last few years) has wreaked absolute havoc on the marine ecosystem there. East Africa is experiencing it's worst drought on record.

So again, let's say you're correct and none of these problems (and you are right some of them don't) have anything to do with Manmade CO2... Why don't we try to fix them anyway?
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
So, even when I say "lets say you're right, why shouldn't we adress these?" You're answer is "There are no problems, lets just carry on as we are"?

Soil erosion probably isn't a problem where you live. But if you live in a country where agriculture is an enormous part of not just how people make their living, but is the main way to feed people... then it's a bit more of an issue. If large portions of your country are being deforested then turned to desert to fuel the world's desire for cheap meat, then you may see it differently.

Air pollution is causing deaths all over the developed world.

Over fishing in South Africa (thanks to 5 enormous factory ships working off the coast the last few years) has wreaked absolute havoc on the marine ecosystem there. East Africa is experiencing it's worst drought on record.

So again, let's say you're correct and none of these problems (and you are right some of them don't) have anything to do with Manmade CO2... Why don't we try to fix them anyway?
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He'd only really start caring if it affected his local boozer. Or maybe the headquarters of Whatsupwiththat.com.
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
So, even when I say "lets say you're right, why shouldn't we adress these?" You're answer is "There are no problems, lets just carry on as we are"?

Soil erosion probably isn't a problem where you live. But if you live in a country where agriculture is an enormous part of not just how people make their living, but is the main way to feed people... then it's a bit more of an issue. If large portions of your country are being deforested then turned to desert to fuel the world's desire for cheap meat, then you may see it differently.

Air pollution is causing deaths all over the developed world.

Over fishing in South Africa (thanks to 5 enormous factory ships working off the coast the last few years) has wreaked absolute havoc on the marine ecosystem there. East Africa is experiencing it's worst drought on record.

So again, let's say you're correct and none of these problems (and you are right some of them don't) have anything to do with Manmade CO2... Why don't we try to fix them anyway?
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I do like the making people rich argument when the main people pushing back against climate change are very rich and have huge vested interests. Who to believe eh.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
I do like the making people rich argument when the main people pushing back against climate change are very rich and have huge vested interests. Who to believe eh.
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Yeah, if I look at who finds research telling me to relax and keep buying stuff vs research telling me to drastically cut my use of non renewable fuel and materials... well, the oil and auto industry wouldn't like to me would they?
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
So, even when I say "lets say you're right, why shouldn't we adress these?" You're answer is "There are no problems, lets just carry on as we are"?

Soil erosion probably isn't a problem where you live. But if you live in a country where agriculture is an enormous part of not just how people make their living, but is the main way to feed people... then it's a bit more of an issue. If large portions of your country are being deforested then turned to desert to fuel the world's desire for cheap meat, then you may see it differently.

Air pollution is causing deaths all over the developed world.

Over fishing in South Africa (thanks to 5 enormous factory ships working off the coast the last few years) has wreaked absolute havoc on the marine ecosystem there. East Africa is experiencing it's worst drought on record.

So again, let's say you're correct and none of these problems (and you are right some of them don't) have anything to do with Manmade CO2... Why don't we try to fix them anyway?
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You misunderstand it's not that there are no problems it is the indisputable fact that man made co2 plays no part.

As I said general husbandry of the planet has always been part and parcel of our existence the gardens of Babylon through engineering and irrigation a very early example your introduction of what would be classed as environmental issues is a separate issue to the co2 fairy tale.

I happen to agree with you on environmental issues they are a proven problem but what I don't understand is how environmentalists cannot see how supporting co2 spoofery diminishes the ability to improve matters environmental. The dough chucked at fighting imaginary man made co2 problems could be spent on subsidising bio degradable plastics, planting more trees and improving sea defences etc.
 
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