TheFinnFan
Finners
Your hate is clouding your judgement. Let it go.
Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon
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Your Finnishness and lack of being American is a cloud you can't overcome in this argument. Very weird you are happy with an administration that would cozy up to Putin...not something my Finnish heritage says yes to.
It's just the reality of the situation with Trump...nothing one eyed at all.
He's done nothing in his life to prove otherwise. Nothing. Lap it up. Don't forget to swallow.
abelard
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there are reasons to be wary about the CIA's apparent conclusions
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/10...ussia-beliefs-are-no-substitute-for-evidence/
but I don't see what it has to do with Obama or Clinton. Congressmen from both parties are calling for an investigation, including people like Lindsey Graham, who tries hard to be as yee-haw as the best of them. Obama in particular has been notably subdued about all this, much to the annoyance of Democrats and Republicans.
and I don't think you can dismiss the possibility of interference out of hand either, ie "People who say Putin wanted Trump into office are idiots."
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TheFinnFan
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Mate, I see your point and fear even.
TheFinnFan
Finners
IF and thats a big IF there actually is clear evidence of Russia trying to effect these elections....do you understand that it means was. Bolton just yesterday stated that it would have to be met with serious actions. Ultimately this will be another lame duck in the series or Hillary/Obama escape goats
abelard
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TheFinnFan
Finners
Sorry just woke up lol
If it it really was russians with this alledged tampering....it is an ACT OF WAR.
This is the most ridiculous claim by Hillary and Obama that they have ever made.
it harms the country and makes their intelligence agencies look like amateurs.
Just watch how this all unfolds.
And it wont be pretty on either of these sore losers.
abelard
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when did Obama claim it?
there is a discrete point hidden in there somewhere which I'm trying to agree with, but your posts read like they could have been written by the unabomber. why not just post things that you actually know to be accurate instead of filling in the blanks with innuendo and conspiracy?
or you're just WUMing and shame on me for still falling for it.
TheFinnFan
Finners
Oh wow, Unabomber, well thats a new one
*and I just spilled my morning coffee lol
Anyways...Theres so much assuming and quessing going on right now
We are living interesting times.
My point is.
●The election result stands.
●Russians are not of behind any large scale election tampering
●This is just a part of tactics by Obama/Hillary camp to discredit Trumps win
dholliday
deconstructed rep
disagree abe, because of two things:
1) Atilla the Hun isn't relevant to Hillary Clinton 2016, Trump or the Republicans in 2008.
Hillary Clinton in 2008 however, couldn't be more relevant to Hillary Clinton in 2016, Trump and the Republicans in 2008.
@Khalekan i thus refute the whataboutery charge
2) it reveals tribalism ("i'd never vote for Republicans therefore everything they do/say is wrong"). There's no nuance or analysis here, debate ends up just like in our RS Thread where everything the RS do/say is wrong...but that's football...tribalism is encouraged.
Politics isn't a game, but many treat it as such: pick a side and stick to it. The Debate suffers, for it narrows instead of broadens.
Most are guilty of this: witness Labourites falling over themselves to criticise the slightest thing a Tory does/says, seemingly without awareness of their own past deeds/words.
Tribalism is part of human nature so it's here to stay...but we should at least be aware of it.
1) Atilla the Hun isn't relevant to Hillary Clinton 2016, Trump or the Republicans in 2008.
Hillary Clinton in 2008 however, couldn't be more relevant to Hillary Clinton in 2016, Trump and the Republicans in 2008.
@Khalekan i thus refute the whataboutery charge
2) it reveals tribalism ("i'd never vote for Republicans therefore everything they do/say is wrong"). There's no nuance or analysis here, debate ends up just like in our RS Thread where everything the RS do/say is wrong...but that's football...tribalism is encouraged.
Politics isn't a game, but many treat it as such: pick a side and stick to it. The Debate suffers, for it narrows instead of broadens.
Most are guilty of this: witness Labourites falling over themselves to criticise the slightest thing a Tory does/says, seemingly without awareness of their own past deeds/words.
Tribalism is part of human nature so it's here to stay...but we should at least be aware of it.
abelard
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disagree abe, because of two things:
1) Atilla the Hun isn't relevant to Hillary Clinton 2016, Trump or the Republicans in 2008.
Hillary Clinton in 2008 however, couldn't be more relevant to Hillary Clinton in 2016, Trump and the Republicans in 2008.
@Khalekan i thus refute the whataboutery charge
2) it reveals tribalism ("i'd never vote for Republicans therefore everything they do/say is wrong"). There's no nuance or analysis here, debate ends up just like in our RS Thread where everything the RS do/say is wrong...but that's football...tribalism is encouraged.
Politics isn't a game, but many treat it as such: pick a side and stick to it. The Debate suffers, for it narrows instead of broadens.
Most are guilty of this: witness Labourites falling over themselves to criticise the slightest thing a Tory does/says, seemingly without awareness of their own past deeds/words.
Tribalism is part of human nature so it's here to stay...but we should at least be aware of it.
For someone who claims to be dispassionate, subtle, rational, and trascending the partisan fray of the howling mob, you're as quick as any of us to make (wrong) presumptions about which "tribes" we all apparently belong to.
There are very few people on here who actively supported Hillary. It is absolutely not news to anybody that she gave paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. You're basically pushing against an open door. Like I would be, if I kept pointing out every time someone criticized Trump that Carly Fiorina also ran her company into the ground (you monstrous hypocrites!). Or like how my little 4-year-old nephew keeps complaining that his older brother pushed him first.
Still waiting for your rigorous, Mao-style Jill Stein self-criticism, by the way. For the "nuance," obviously. ; )
dholliday
deconstructed rep
i'm just here to nudge anti-trumpism gently away from the harsh edges...for it's warmer near the centre x
TheFinnFan
Finners
Lets not forget that Trump is getting the same daily security briefings as Obama.
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