Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Singling that out certainly is - though if she'd said that political influence in the US is up for sale, and pointed to all the crazy stuff that has been done down the years by US politicians being paid to let businesses and other countries get away with almost murder (or actual murder in the case of MBS), she'd be emphatically correct.
It's the dual allegiance thing that is the problem. It isn't acceptable to do that with anyone who immigrates here, has different religious beliefs, or what ever and is rightly being called out for what it is in my opinion. And now we have the president going "Well I'm racist but you're antisemitic so that's just as bad" and it allows the right to justify their bigotry. I with that couldn't happen.
 
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It's the dual allegiance thing that is the problem. It isn't acceptable to do that with anyone who immigrates here, has different religious beliefs, or what ever and is rightly being called out for what it is in my opinion. And now we have the president going "Well I'm racist but you're antisemitic so that's just as bad" and it allows the right to justify their bigotry. I with that couldn't happen.

Yes, but with this President (and this right wing) anything can and will be used to justify their bigotry, whether it exists or has to be invented.

Omar could have done nothing in her entire life apart from talk about (for example) reforming healthcare and she'd still be attacked for being what she is.
 
Yes, but with this President (and this right wing) anything can and will be used to justify their bigotry, whether it exists or has to be invented.

Omar could have done nothing in her entire life apart from talk about (for example) reforming healthcare and she'd still be attacked for being what she is.
Well yes that is true and that's why the whole democratic party is now being called antisemitic but the fact that it starts from a grain of truth still annoys me. I guarantee the MAGAers I know would bring it up.
 
It's the dual allegiance thing that is the problem. It isn't acceptable to do that with anyone who immigrates here, has different religious beliefs, or what ever and is rightly being called out for what it is in my opinion. And now we have the president going "Well I'm racist but you're antisemitic so that's just as bad" and it allows the right to justify their bigotry. I with that couldn't happen.

But is she having a go at immigrant jews or jews in general? Or is she talking about politicians who take big donations from AIPAC to push pro Isreal narritive in politics regardless of what the policies are and whether they are in the best interest of America? Because if its the latter she's 100% on the money talking about duel allegiences.

Im going to have to find the quotes.
 
But is she having a go at immigrant jews or jews in general? Or is she talking about politicians who take big donations from AIPAC to push pro Isreal narritive in politics regardless of what the policies are and whether they are in the best interest of America? Because if its the latter she's 100% on the money talking about duel allegiences.

Im going to have to find the quotes.
Eh I don't play the dual allegiance thing regardless. To me calling out American's allegiance to the country because they also simultaneously have ties to another isn't on without very specific proof. Generalizing that standpoint towards Jews is antisemitic in my book and that's mostly because Jewish scholars who I respect say it is in their's as well.
 
Apropos of Trump's "hate Israel" quotes:

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/its...s-to-the-anti-semitism-building-on-the-right/

It’s time for Jews to open our eyes to the anti-Semitism building on the right
JTA — In August, when I was speaking at a synagogue in East Hampton about a rising tide of anti-Semitism and intolerance, a congregant stood to tell me that the number of right-wing anti-Semites in this country could fit in that sanctuary.

The problem, he assured me, was not the neo-Nazis, “alt-right” white nationalists and virulent anti-immigrant voices filling my social media feeds — but the anti-Zionists on college campuses.

The massacre of Jews in Pittsburgh on Saturday came sadly as no surprise to me. I was one of dozens of Jewish journalists targeted by anti-Semites during the 2016 campaign, showered with the ugliest, most violent anti-Semitic imagery imaginable, my face photoshopped on Holocaust victims, my path into Auschwitz accented by gates that read “Machen Amerika Great Again.”

I have spent the last two years trolling around the darker corners of 4Chan, 8Chan, Reddit and Gab. I have visited the Daily Stormer’s website so frequently I may be on an FBI watchlist. I know what’s out there.

And since the publication last spring of my book “(((Semitism))): Being Jewish in America in the Age of Trump,” I have traversed the country to warn of the dangers of rising nationalism, organized bigotry and anti-Semitic hate. My message: Don’t kid yourself that the most violent forms of hate have been aimed at others — blacks, Muslims, Latino immigrants. Don’t ever think that your government’s pro-Israel policies reflect a tolerance of Jews. We are all in this together.

In most places — synagogues, Jewish community centers and independent bookstores — that message seems to have been absorbed. But virtually everywhere I have gone, especially in Orthodox communities, there have been audience members, sometimes most of them, that have angrily rejected that message.

I have been called a self-hating Jew, deluded, paranoid. President Donald Trump moved the American embassy to Jerusalem, abrogated the Iran nuclear deal, done whatever Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asked of him. His Orthodox son-in-law is one of his closest advisers. His beloved daughter is a convert. His grandchildren are Jewish.

No, I am told, the scattering of bigots on the fringes of his orbit are of no concern. The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, or BDS, targeting Israel is the threat, as are the voices on the left speaking out against Israeli policies and actions toward the Palestinians. Oh, and Louis Farrakhan.

My answer has never been to dismiss those concerns, but to put them into context. The gutter bigotry of Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam leader, is no better than the hate spewed by right-wing racists like Richard Spencer and David Duke. It should be condemned as forthrightly.

But Farrakhan, if he ever had power, peaked in 1995 with the Million Man March. It has been downhill ever since. Louis Farrakhan, from his South Side of Chicago mosque, can’t muster 100,000 fascists to the streets of Budapest like Viktor Orban can. He cannot pass a law through parliament declaring it illegal to even suggest that Poles had anything to do with the Holocaust. He cannot win a plurality of seats in the Italian parliament. And he will not be runner-up in the next French election.

We have to consider where power is rising, and the Nationalist Right is a global movement, from Manila to Milan, from Warsaw to Washington — and frankly, in Jerusalem, too. Trump disparages “globalists” — his presidential campaign’s final, closing ad inveighed against “global special interests” as the Jewish faces of Lloyd Blankfein, the Goldman Sachs chief; George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist; and Janet Yellen, the Federal Reserve chair, crossed the screen. But the fact is, “globalist” sentiments — eras of international cooperation and blurred borders — have been essential to Jewish good fortunes.

In the long history of our people, Jews do not tend to do well when nationalist sentiments rise, when borders are sharply drawn and identities are crisply defined. Such times tend to leave us out — isolated, excluded and eventually attacked.

When Robert Bowers interrupted Shabbat services in Pittsburgh on Saturday and gunned down 11 people, he was self-radicalized like many others on the far right, with propaganda that convinced him that the International Jew was the threat, orchestrating and financing the invasion of this country by brown-skinned marauders intent on diminishing the stature of the white race — his race, his identity.

The item of fake news that pushed him to homicide was the Tree of Life Congregation’s involvement in a Jewish organization, HIAS, that helps resettle refugees. A gesture of Jewish altruism — charity toward the displaced, many of them Muslims — was seen as yet another outrage in the Jewish-orchestrated “White Genocide.”

“HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people,” he wrote on Gab, the social network preferred by the “alt-right.” “I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics. I’m going in.”

I’d like to go back and find the man who told me with such confidence that right-wing anti-Semitism is not a threat. I am quite confident he may have a reason why he was right and I was wrong.

I don’t mean to suggest here that anti-Semitism is somehow the fault of the Semites. But other communities in history have turned a blind eye to the threats gathering around them.

It is time we open our eyes.
 
Eh I don't play the dual allegiance thing regardless. To me calling out American's allegiance to the country because they also simultaneously have ties to another isn't on without very specific proof. Generalizing that standpoint towards Jews is antisemitic in my book and that's mostly because Jewish scholars who I respect say it is in their's as well.


Rep. Ilhan Omar in Twitter Spat With Senior Jewish Democrat Over ‘Dual Loyalty’ Insinuation

By Patrick Goodenough | March 3, 2019 | 7:02 PM EST

(CNSNews.com) – In yet another spat over Muslim lawmakers and anti-Semitism, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) wrangled on Twitter at the weekend with a senior Democratic colleague over remarks insinuating that pro-Israel lawmakers, especially Jewish ones, have dual loyalties to Israel and the United States.

After House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Rep. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) – who is both Jewish and strongly pro-Israel – said she was “saddened” by Omar’s latest controversial remarks and urged her to retract them, Omar slapped her down: “Our democracy is built on debate, Congresswoman!”

Lowey, 81, has been in Congress for three decades and is the 14th member of the House by seniority; Omar, 37, has been in Congress for two months.

The latest incident began when a video clip emerged of Omar, speaking at a “progressive issues” town hall in Washington on Wednesday, saying that the reason she and fellow Muslim freshman Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) were accused of anti-Semitism every time they speak about Israel is because they are Muslims.

“What I’m fearful of is that, because Rashida and I are Muslim, that a lot of our Jewish colleagues, a lot of our constituents, a lot of our allies, go to thinking that everything we say about Israel to be anti-Semitic because we are Muslim.”

Omar, who was flanked by Tlaib as she spoke, said the accusation of anti-Semitism was “designed to end the debate” about “what is happening with Palestine.”

Then she added as the enthusiastic applause abated, “I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country."

Why was it okay, she asked, for her to talk about the influence of lobbies like the NRA or fossil fuel industries or Big Pharma, “and not talk about a powerful lobbying group that is influencing policy?”

Omar did not say so, but was likely alluding to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which she implicitly accused in a tweet last month of paying U.S. politicians to be pro-Israel.



Still dont see a problem. Harris, Booker, Biden and a few more all took big contributions from AIPAC and they are not Jewish. Think she is trying to get across that they should be seen the same as NRA, big pharma lobbying groups and rightly so. All policies shpuld be made in the intetest of the American people, not countries or corporations that pay the most money.

Look at this quote, does this sound normal?

"As I stand before you, eight Democrat candidates for president are actually boycotting this very conference. So let me be clear on this point, anyone who aspires to the highest office in the land should not be afraid to stand with the strongest supporters of Israel in America. It is wrong to boycott Israel, and it is wrong to boycott AIPAC.”

— Vice President Pence, in remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, March 25, 2019




"AIPAC has been at odds with Democratic positions in the past. The group lobbied hard against Obama's 2015 nuclear deal with Iran, and some members of the audience booed Pelosi when she spoke at the conference in 2007 and criticized the Iraq War"

Now we know why Trump is itching for a war with Iran (along with Saudi influence)
 
Rep. Ilhan Omar in Twitter Spat With Senior Jewish Democrat Over ‘Dual Loyalty’ Insinuation

By Patrick Goodenough | March 3, 2019 | 7:02 PM EST

(CNSNews.com) – In yet another spat over Muslim lawmakers and anti-Semitism, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) wrangled on Twitter at the weekend with a senior Democratic colleague over remarks insinuating that pro-Israel lawmakers, especially Jewish ones, have dual loyalties to Israel and the United States.

After House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Rep. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) – who is both Jewish and strongly pro-Israel – said she was “saddened” by Omar’s latest controversial remarks and urged her to retract them, Omar slapped her down: “Our democracy is built on debate, Congresswoman!”

Lowey, 81, has been in Congress for three decades and is the 14th member of the House by seniority; Omar, 37, has been in Congress for two months.

The latest incident began when a video clip emerged of Omar, speaking at a “progressive issues” town hall in Washington on Wednesday, saying that the reason she and fellow Muslim freshman Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) were accused of anti-Semitism every time they speak about Israel is because they are Muslims.

“What I’m fearful of is that, because Rashida and I are Muslim, that a lot of our Jewish colleagues, a lot of our constituents, a lot of our allies, go to thinking that everything we say about Israel to be anti-Semitic because we are Muslim.”

Omar, who was flanked by Tlaib as she spoke, said the accusation of anti-Semitism was “designed to end the debate” about “what is happening with Palestine.”

Then she added as the enthusiastic applause abated, “I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country."

Why was it okay, she asked, for her to talk about the influence of lobbies like the NRA or fossil fuel industries or Big Pharma, “and not talk about a powerful lobbying group that is influencing policy?”

Omar did not say so, but was likely alluding to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which she implicitly accused in a tweet last month of paying U.S. politicians to be pro-Israel.



Still dont see a problem. Harris, Booker, Biden and a few more all took big contributions from AIPAC and they are not Jewish. Think she is trying to get across that they should be seen the same as NRA, big pharma lobbying groups and rightly so. All policies shpuld be made in the intetest of the American people, not countries or corporations that pay the most money.

Look at this quote, does this sound normal?

"As I stand before you, eight Democrat candidates for president are actually boycotting this very conference. So let me be clear on this point, anyone who aspires to the highest office in the land should not be afraid to stand with the strongest supporters of Israel in America. It is wrong to boycott Israel, and it is wrong to boycott AIPAC.”

— Vice President Pence, in remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, March 25, 2019




"AIPAC has been at odds with Democratic positions in the past. The group lobbied hard against Obama's 2015 nuclear deal with Iran, and some members of the audience booed Pelosi when she spoke at the conference in 2007 and criticized the Iraq War"

Now we know why Trump is itching for a war with Iran (along with Saudi influence)

The evengelical Christian right's recent love-affair with Israel is worthy of 100 dissertations worth of study.
 
Rep. Ilhan Omar in Twitter Spat With Senior Jewish Democrat Over ‘Dual Loyalty’ Insinuation

By Patrick Goodenough | March 3, 2019 | 7:02 PM EST

(CNSNews.com) – In yet another spat over Muslim lawmakers and anti-Semitism, Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) wrangled on Twitter at the weekend with a senior Democratic colleague over remarks insinuating that pro-Israel lawmakers, especially Jewish ones, have dual loyalties to Israel and the United States.

After House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Rep. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) – who is both Jewish and strongly pro-Israel – said she was “saddened” by Omar’s latest controversial remarks and urged her to retract them, Omar slapped her down: “Our democracy is built on debate, Congresswoman!”

Lowey, 81, has been in Congress for three decades and is the 14th member of the House by seniority; Omar, 37, has been in Congress for two months.

The latest incident began when a video clip emerged of Omar, speaking at a “progressive issues” town hall in Washington on Wednesday, saying that the reason she and fellow Muslim freshman Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) were accused of anti-Semitism every time they speak about Israel is because they are Muslims.

“What I’m fearful of is that, because Rashida and I are Muslim, that a lot of our Jewish colleagues, a lot of our constituents, a lot of our allies, go to thinking that everything we say about Israel to be anti-Semitic because we are Muslim.”

Omar, who was flanked by Tlaib as she spoke, said the accusation of anti-Semitism was “designed to end the debate” about “what is happening with Palestine.”

Then she added as the enthusiastic applause abated, “I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country."

Why was it okay, she asked, for her to talk about the influence of lobbies like the NRA or fossil fuel industries or Big Pharma, “and not talk about a powerful lobbying group that is influencing policy?”

Omar did not say so, but was likely alluding to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which she implicitly accused in a tweet last month of paying U.S. politicians to be pro-Israel.



Still dont see a problem. Harris, Booker, Biden and a few more all took big contributions from AIPAC and they are not Jewish. Think she is trying to get across that they should be seen the same as NRA, big pharma lobbying groups and rightly so. All policies shpuld be made in the intetest of the American people, not countries or corporations that pay the most money.

Look at this quote, does this sound normal?

"As I stand before you, eight Democrat candidates for president are actually boycotting this very conference. So let me be clear on this point, anyone who aspires to the highest office in the land should not be afraid to stand with the strongest supporters of Israel in America. It is wrong to boycott Israel, and it is wrong to boycott AIPAC.”

— Vice President Pence, in remarks to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, March 25, 2019




"AIPAC has been at odds with Democratic positions in the past. The group lobbied hard against Obama's 2015 nuclear deal with Iran, and some members of the audience booed Pelosi when she spoke at the conference in 2007 and criticized the Iraq War"

Now we know why Trump is itching for a war with Iran (along with Saudi influence)
The problem with it is she continues to say things that brush right up against the line. That comment can go either way but when you do that over and over it starts to be questionable. At best she needs to just cut the crap and be more careful. At worst this is intentional. I don't know where it really is but either way it is giving the right ammo to play the "we aren't the only bigots" card.
 
The way it’s going in the US, a civil war there wouldn’t surprise me, particularly with the election getting closer and closer. It feels deliberate in a way, I could be way off base here but it feels like race and gender are at the forefront there and people are at each other’s throats over both . Left, right, alt right, centrist, far left, social justice warriors, etc etc it’s a mess imo and it’s only going to get more tempers rising.

Never thought that he would be President, never but here we are.
 
Just wondering mate, where do you think he was talking about when he told AOC and those Congresswomen to go back where they are from?

Where was your outrage when at least 2 of them were being anti-Semitic? Probably the same place you were last weekend when Panorama were uncovering the true extent of anti-Semitism in Labour. 2 of the congresswomen, who I doubt you or anyone in the UK had heard of 2 days ago, have a history of it - and that's Trump point. His tweet was directed at them because they're the most vocal about hating Israel, about wanting socialism for America. The question Trump posed in his tweet: "If you are not happy here (because there's not enough free stuff and it's too pro-Israel for you), then you can leave" is perfectly valid and lots of Americans would agree with it
 
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Where was your outrage when at least 2 of them were being anti-Semitic? Probably the same place last weekend when Panorama were uncovering the true extent of anti-Semitism in Labour. 2 of the congresswomen, who I doubt you or anyone in the UK had every heard of 2 days ago, have a history of it - and that's Trump point. His tweet was directed at them because they're the most vocal about hating Israel, about wanting socialism for America. The question Trump posed in his tweet: "If you are not happy here (because there's not enough free stuff and it's too pro-Israel for you), then you can leave" is perfectly valid and lots of Americans would agree with it
This is the absolute worst kind of excuse-making and whataboutism.

Failing an Israel litmus test and wanting expanded social welfare programs for the United States is not disqualifying for residency any more than spending your life the child of crony capitalism.

If I don't like what you like is not reason for you to invite me or any other American to leave our country. THAT is un-American.
 
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