Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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MrPerfectNot said:
Agreed with some of this.

I am becoming more a fan of the House attempting impeachment because it's the right thing. Politically, it could very much backfire on the Democrats, but it's becoming increasingly apparent (on a weekly basis) that the basic underpinnings of how our democracy is supposed to work are being weakened.

The Constitution is the roadmap, but it only works if all are willing to follow it, even if it leads somewhere they don't want to go.
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I hear you. Just like anyone else, no one wants to lost his or her job, which is the risk of doing anything in Congress. Stay under the radar is the best way to go. But at some point, doesn't integrity and the ideals of what we stand for come into play?

I mean, if this guy isn't impeachable, who would be? Even Clinton was impeached for lying about getting a BJ, FFS. Hardly high crimes compared to this utter buffoon
 
MrPerfectNot said:
Agreed with some of this.

I am becoming more a fan of the House attempting impeachment because it's the right thing. Politically, it could very much backfire on the Democrats, but it's becoming increasingly apparent (on a weekly basis) that the basic underpinnings of how our democracy is supposed to work are being weakened.

The Constitution is the roadmap, but it only works if all are willing to follow it, even if it leads somewhere they don't want to go.
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I get that Pelosi is worried that impeachment could backfire but I just don't see how. With the exception of giving Trump an excuse if the economy tanks, how could it backfire.
Yea, Clinton's approval ratings soared after he was impeached but this is totally different.
Christ sake, this fellas campaign manager and lawyer are both in prison now. There's a laundry list of reasons to impeach him.
It's clear that he won't co-operate with congressional investigations so it's time to impeach.
I hope I don't sound snippy but I'm curious how you think it could backfire?
 
Ruairi77 said:
I hope I don't sound snippy but I'm curious how you think it could backfire?
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You don't sound snippy - I take it as a fair question.

I think that it could backfire in the following ways (or combo thereof)
(1) House doesn't vote to impeach - not enough Democrats are convinced by whatever is produced through hearings for their consideration - this shouts "big waste of time" and doesn't bode well for holding the House in 2020.
(2) House impeaches but only on strength of Democrat votes, with few if any Republicans joining in - this would open this impeachment to lots of shouts of "partisan witch hunt", which, frankly, is a foe that Trump would love to fight over the next 18 months.
(3) House impeaches but Dems don't do good job of convincing the public that this fight is the good fight. We can probably assume that 33% of American population will support impeachment, 33% will oppose - it's the remaining 1/3 that have to be convinced - if they're not, we might have a President impeached and not convicted and an overall population that thinks the Dems are not good stewards of the government

All three of these lead to Democrats being weakened in 2020, Trump with a great "exoneration" and the Senate in GOP hands and quite possibly the House as well.

These are off the top of my head - but, as much as our President's behavior makes me sick, I now get to start the prep for my annual colonoscopy which is tomorrow morning.....luckily, I work from home as I do this....
 
MrPerfectNot said:
You don't sound snippy - I take it as a fair question.

I think that it could backfire in the following ways (or combo thereof)
(1) House doesn't vote to impeach - not enough Democrats are convinced by whatever is produced through hearings for their consideration - this shouts "big waste of time" and doesn't bode well for holding the House in 2020.
(2) House impeaches but only on strength of Democrat votes, with few if any Republicans joining in - this would open this impeachment to lots of shouts of "partisan witch hunt", which, frankly, is a foe that Trump would love to fight over the next 18 months.
(3) House impeaches but Dems don't do good job of convincing the public that this fight is the good fight. We can probably assume that 33% of American population will support impeachment, 33% will oppose - it's the remaining 1/3 that have to be convinced - if they're not, we might have a President impeached and not convicted and an overall population that thinks the Dems are not good stewards of the government

All three of these lead to Democrats being weakened in 2020, Trump with a great "exoneration" and the Senate in GOP hands and quite possibly the House as well.

These are off the top of my head - but, as much as our President's behavior makes me sick, I now get to start the prep for my annual colonoscopy which is tomorrow morning.....luckily, I work from home as I do this....
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Fair points.
I do find it concerning that the main fear of impeachment is that the Democrats won't present a unified front and even if they do, they won't be able to win the 'narrative'.
Christ, if they cant convince the middle 33% that Trump broke the law, I'm not sure they deserve to be reps!
 
Ruairi77 said:
Fair points.
I do find it concerning that the main fear of impeachment is that the Democrats won't present a unified front and even if they do, they won't be able to win the 'narrative'.
Christ, if they cant convince the middle 33% that Trump broke the law, I'm not sure they deserve to be reps!
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“When you strike at a king, you must kill him.”

― Ralph Waldo Emerson

In this instance, missing on the impeachment bid is a big risk for the future - and giving Donald Trump the Presidency for another 4 years along with a GOP Senate will fundamentally change the nature of the Supreme Court for the next 20 years. That's scary stuff.
 
MrPerfectNot said:
“When you strike at a king, you must kill him.”

― Ralph Waldo Emerson

In this instance, missing on the impeachment bid is a big risk for the future - and giving Donald Trump the Presidency for another 4 years along with a GOP Senate will fundamentally change the nature of the Supreme Court for the next 20 years. That's scary stuff.
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I don’t think failing to convict in the senate NECESSARILY gives him re-election to be fair.

A lot depends on the nature of the findings that come out during the impeachment inquiries (i.e before the House vote)
 
I'd like to say this is unbelievable, but I realize it's just par for the course.

From the Wall Street Journal WSJ Article Link - USS John McCain

By
Rebecca Ballhaus and
Gordon Lubold
May 29, 2019 7:44 p.m. ET

The White House wanted the U.S. Navy to move “out of sight” a warship named for the late Sen. John McCain, a war hero who became a frequent target of President Trump’s ire, ahead of the president’s visit to Japan last week, according to an email reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
In a May 15 email to U.S. Navy and Air Force officials, a U.S. Indo-Pacific Command official outlined plans for the president’s arrival that he said had resulted from conversations between the White House Military Office and the Seventh Fleet of the U.S. Navy. In addition to instructions for the proper landing areas for helicopters and preparation for the USS Wasp—where the president was scheduled to speak—the official issued a third directive: “USS John McCain needs to be out of sight.”
“Please confirm #3 will be satisfied,” the official wrote.
When a Navy commander expressed surprise about the directive for the USS John S. McCain, the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command official replied: “First I heard of it as well.” He said he would work with the White House Military Office to obtain more information about the order.
Acting Defense Secretary Pat Shanahan was aware of the concern about the presence of the USS John McCain in Japan and approved measures to ensure it didn’t interfere with the president’s visit, a U.S. official said.
 
MrPerfectNot said:
I'd like to say this is unbelievable, but I realize it's just par for the course.

From the Wall Street Journal WSJ Article Link - USS John McCain

By
Rebecca Ballhaus and
Gordon Lubold
May 29, 2019 7:44 p.m. ET

The White House wanted the U.S. Navy to move “out of sight” a warship named for the late Sen. John McCain, a war hero who became a frequent target of President Trump’s ire, ahead of the president’s visit to Japan last week, according to an email reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
In a May 15 email to U.S. Navy and Air Force officials, a U.S. Indo-Pacific Command official outlined plans for the president’s arrival that he said had resulted from conversations between the White House Military Office and the Seventh Fleet of the U.S. Navy. In addition to instructions for the proper landing areas for helicopters and preparation for the USS Wasp—where the president was scheduled to speak—the official issued a third directive: “USS John McCain needs to be out of sight.”
“Please confirm #3 will be satisfied,” the official wrote.
When a Navy commander expressed surprise about the directive for the USS John S. McCain, the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command official replied: “First I heard of it as well.” He said he would work with the White House Military Office to obtain more information about the order.
Acting Defense Secretary Pat Shanahan was aware of the concern about the presence of the USS John McCain in Japan and approved measures to ensure it didn’t interfere with the president’s visit, a U.S. official said.
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Cheeto knob can't be that small a person, can he?
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MrPerfectNot said:
I'd like to say this is unbelievable, but I realize it's just par for the course.

From the Wall Street Journal WSJ Article Link - USS John McCain

By
Rebecca Ballhaus and
Gordon Lubold
May 29, 2019 7:44 p.m. ET

The White House wanted the U.S. Navy to move “out of sight” a warship named for the late Sen. John McCain, a war hero who became a frequent target of President Trump’s ire, ahead of the president’s visit to Japan last week, according to an email reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.
In a May 15 email to U.S. Navy and Air Force officials, a U.S. Indo-Pacific Command official outlined plans for the president’s arrival that he said had resulted from conversations between the White House Military Office and the Seventh Fleet of the U.S. Navy. In addition to instructions for the proper landing areas for helicopters and preparation for the USS Wasp—where the president was scheduled to speak—the official issued a third directive: “USS John McCain needs to be out of sight.”
“Please confirm #3 will be satisfied,” the official wrote.
When a Navy commander expressed surprise about the directive for the USS John S. McCain, the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command official replied: “First I heard of it as well.” He said he would work with the White House Military Office to obtain more information about the order.
Acting Defense Secretary Pat Shanahan was aware of the concern about the presence of the USS John McCain in Japan and approved measures to ensure it didn’t interfere with the president’s visit, a U.S. official said.
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They hung a tarp over the ships name so as not to upset the draft dodging president. You couldn’t make it up...
 
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