Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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I would not support the gutting of social security or any racist policy but let's see what he does re providing jobs etc. He might surprise us and in answer to why he would do the latter it's because he has a massive ego and would want to be seen as a success.

Regarding him being a rapist (if that is true) I doubt he is any different to Bill Clinton who would use his position (and what was in effect grooming of numerous women) to achieve the same ends. And Hilary would defend him warn the women off reporting anything and viciously cover it up. This latter issue is why I get fed up of liberals (which I am probably one of) and their hipocracy in failing to see the similarity in the two presidents or Hilarys true commitment to abused women.

Regarding his appointing various generals etc what did Obama do to advance international peace and how many people did his drones kill in the middle east?

If I had been a US citizen I would not have voted for Trump on grounds of his unharmonius near-racist talk (that may or may not be translated into policies) But I could not have voted for Hilary either.

Please take off rose tinted spectacles about the Clintons or Obama and see what they did and therefore that Trump is not necessarily worse or more evil than them
 
I like the idea of all the normal left and right wing terms being broken down.

It will be interesting to see if Trump (who is not someone I would have normally felt much allegiance with) manages to change things for the better (jobs and economic prospects) for those people in need. If so he will have done a lot better than soft left liberal leaders across the western world.

It will also be interesting if he indulges in protectionism trade wise and how successful he is with that compared with the free market globalism practised by the rest of the western economies.

He certainly looks like bringing something different to the job and I hope he follows those instincts and doesn't get drawn into the globalist inertia that slowly seems to be making everyone poorer.

Except that isn't really the reality :)

http://www.economist.com/news/books...ways-both-recently-according-swedish-economic

"HUMANS are a gloomy species. Some 71% of Britons think the world is getting worse; only 5% think it is improving. Asked whether global poverty had fallen by half, doubled or remained the same in the past 20 years, only 5% of Americans answered correctly that it had fallen by half. This is not simple ignorance, observes Johan Norberg, a Swedish economic historian and the author of a new book called “Progress”. By guessing randomly, a chimpanzee would pick the right answer (out of three choices) far more often.


People are predisposed to think that things are worse than they are, and they overestimate the likelihood of calamity. This is because they rely not on data, but on how easy it is to recall an example. And bad things are more memorable. The media amplify this distortion. Famines, earthquakes and beheadings all make gripping headlines; “40m Planes Landed Safely Last Year” does not.

Pessimism has political consequences. Voters who think things were better in the past are more likely to demand that governments turn back the clock. A whopping 81% of Donald Trump’s supporters think life has grown worse in the past 50 years. Among Britons who voted to leave the European Union, 61% believe that most children will be worse off than their parents. Those who voted against Brexit tend to believe the opposite.

Mr Norberg unleashes a tornado of evidence that life is, in fact, getting better. He describes how his great-great-great-great grandfather survived the Swedish famines of 150 years ago. Sweden in those days was poorer than Sub-Saharan Africa is today. “Why are some people poor?” is the wrong question, argues Mr Norberg. Poverty is the starting point for all societies. What is astonishing is how fast it has receded. In 1820, 94% of humanity subsisted on less than $2 a day in modern money. That fell to 37% in 1990 and less than 10% in 2015.

Not only have people grown much more prosperous; they also enjoy better health than even rich folk did in the past. This is due partly to galloping progress in medical science. When the swine flu pandemic threatened to become catastrophic in 2009, scientists sequenced the genome of the virus within a day and were producing a vaccine in less than six months.

The spread of basic technology, allowing for clean water and indoor plumbing, may have helped even more. Louis XIV’s palace was the pinnacle of 18th-century grandeur. Nonetheless, without flush toilets, it stank. “The passageways, corridors and courtyards are filled with urine and faecal matter,” wrote a contemporary observer. Now 68% of the world’s population have modern sanitation—a luxury denied to the Sun King—up from 24% in 1980.

People are growing smarter too. Americans scored, on average, 100 points on IQ tests just after the second world war. By 2002, using the same test, this had risen to 118, with the biggest improvements in answers to the most abstract problems. This “Flynn Effect”, as it is known, is observed in all countries that have modernised. The most likely reasons are better nutrition and the spread of education—brains that are well-fed and well-stimulated tend to work better—and environmental improvements such as the removal of lead from petrol.

Mr Norberg agrees with Steven Pinker, a psychologist, that humankind is also experiencing a “moral Flynn Effect”. As people grow more adept at abstract thought, they find it easier to imagine themselves in other people’s shoes. And there is plenty of evidence that society has grown more tolerant. As recently as 1964, even the American Civil Liberties Union agreed that homosexuals should be barred from government jobs. In 1987 only 48% of Americans approved of interracial dating; in 2012 that figure was 86% (and 95% of 18- to 29-year-olds). The caste system in India has eroded as individualistic values have spread: the proportion of upper-caste weddings with segregated seating fell from 75% to 13% between 1990 and 2008.

Despite the bloody headlines, the world is far safer than it used to be. The homicide rate in hunter-gatherer societies was about 500 times what it is in Europe today. Globally, wars are smaller and less frequent than they were a generation ago. The only type of violence that is growing more common is terrorism, and people wildly overestimate how much of it there is. The average European is ten times more likely to die by falling down stairs than to be killed by a terrorist. Evidence that the past was more brutal than the present can be gleaned not only from data but also from cultural clues. For example, children’s nursery rhymes are 11 times more violent than television programmes aired before 9pm in Britain, one study found.

That life is improving for most people does not mean it is improving for everyone. Male blue-collar workers in rich countries have seen their earnings stagnate. Even if the statistics fail properly to capture the benefits they enjoy as consumers of new technology, the slippage in their status is real and painfully felt.

Global warming is a worry, too, but Mr Norberg hopes that human ingenuity will tame it. He writes with enthusiasm about all kinds of green innovation. For example, thanks to more efficient farming technology, the world may have reached “peak farmland”. By the end of the century, an area twice the size of France will have been returned to nature, by one estimate.

This book is a blast of good sense. The main reason why things tend to get better is that knowledge is cumulative and easily shared. As Mr Norberg puts it, “The most important resource is the human brain...which is pleasantly reproducible.”"
 
Also very important to accept that Trump won legitimately. Bush winning v Gore was a non legitimate steal but Trump (with the weight of the media against him) v Clinton wasn't (and as he says if he had had to have won via the popular vote he would have campaigned differently and surely won that too)
 
Sorry to say this mate but he's failed already, abysmally in fact. One of his stated aims was to 'drain the swamp' well he's set about filling it up even more with some of the worst, most corrupt people in any walk of life. He's a total failure.

Not to mention that he appears to be taking a random, interventionist approach to business. Couple this with the rather poor attempt to distance himself from his business and you can see the level of lobbying going up enormously as companies trying and protect themselves by cosying up in one way or another.
 
Except that isn't really the reality :)

http://www.economist.com/news/books...ways-both-recently-according-swedish-economic

"HUMANS are a gloomy species. Some 71% of Britons think the world is getting worse; only 5% think it is improving. Asked whether global poverty had fallen by half, doubled or remained the same in the past 20 years, only 5% of Americans answered correctly that it had fallen by half. This is not simple ignorance, observes Johan Norberg, a Swedish economic historian and the author of a new book called “Progress”. By guessing randomly, a chimpanzee would pick the right answer (out of three choices) far more often.


People are predisposed to think that things are worse than they are, and they overestimate the likelihood of calamity. This is because they rely not on data, but on how easy it is to recall an example. And bad things are more memorable. The media amplify this distortion. Famines, earthquakes and beheadings all make gripping headlines; “40m Planes Landed Safely Last Year” does not.

Pessimism has political consequences. Voters who think things were better in the past are more likely to demand that governments turn back the clock. A whopping 81% of Donald Trump’s supporters think life has grown worse in the past 50 years. Among Britons who voted to leave the European Union, 61% believe that most children will be worse off than their parents. Those who voted against Brexit tend to believe the opposite.

Mr Norberg unleashes a tornado of evidence that life is, in fact, getting better. He describes how his great-great-great-great grandfather survived the Swedish famines of 150 years ago. Sweden in those days was poorer than Sub-Saharan Africa is today. “Why are some people poor?” is the wrong question, argues Mr Norberg. Poverty is the starting point for all societies. What is astonishing is how fast it has receded. In 1820, 94% of humanity subsisted on less than $2 a day in modern money. That fell to 37% in 1990 and less than 10% in 2015.

Not only have people grown much more prosperous; they also enjoy better health than even rich folk did in the past. This is due partly to galloping progress in medical science. When the swine flu pandemic threatened to become catastrophic in 2009, scientists sequenced the genome of the virus within a day and were producing a vaccine in less than six months.

The spread of basic technology, allowing for clean water and indoor plumbing, may have helped even more. Louis XIV’s palace was the pinnacle of 18th-century grandeur. Nonetheless, without flush toilets, it stank. “The passageways, corridors and courtyards are filled with urine and faecal matter,” wrote a contemporary observer. Now 68% of the world’s population have modern sanitation—a luxury denied to the Sun King—up from 24% in 1980.

People are growing smarter too. Americans scored, on average, 100 points on IQ tests just after the second world war. By 2002, using the same test, this had risen to 118, with the biggest improvements in answers to the most abstract problems. This “Flynn Effect”, as it is known, is observed in all countries that have modernised. The most likely reasons are better nutrition and the spread of education—brains that are well-fed and well-stimulated tend to work better—and environmental improvements such as the removal of lead from petrol.

Mr Norberg agrees with Steven Pinker, a psychologist, that humankind is also experiencing a “moral Flynn Effect”. As people grow more adept at abstract thought, they find it easier to imagine themselves in other people’s shoes. And there is plenty of evidence that society has grown more tolerant. As recently as 1964, even the American Civil Liberties Union agreed that homosexuals should be barred from government jobs. In 1987 only 48% of Americans approved of interracial dating; in 2012 that figure was 86% (and 95% of 18- to 29-year-olds). The caste system in India has eroded as individualistic values have spread: the proportion of upper-caste weddings with segregated seating fell from 75% to 13% between 1990 and 2008.

Despite the bloody headlines, the world is far safer than it used to be. The homicide rate in hunter-gatherer societies was about 500 times what it is in Europe today. Globally, wars are smaller and less frequent than they were a generation ago. The only type of violence that is growing more common is terrorism, and people wildly overestimate how much of it there is. The average European is ten times more likely to die by falling down stairs than to be killed by a terrorist. Evidence that the past was more brutal than the present can be gleaned not only from data but also from cultural clues. For example, children’s nursery rhymes are 11 times more violent than television programmes aired before 9pm in Britain, one study found.

That life is improving for most people does not mean it is improving for everyone. Male blue-collar workers in rich countries have seen their earnings stagnate. Even if the statistics fail properly to capture the benefits they enjoy as consumers of new technology, the slippage in their status is real and painfully felt.

Global warming is a worry, too, but Mr Norberg hopes that human ingenuity will tame it. He writes with enthusiasm about all kinds of green innovation. For example, thanks to more efficient farming technology, the world may have reached “peak farmland”. By the end of the century, an area twice the size of France will have been returned to nature, by one estimate.

This book is a blast of good sense. The main reason why things tend to get better is that knowledge is cumulative and easily shared. As Mr Norberg puts it, “The most important resource is the human brain...which is pleasantly reproducible.”"

Bruce, you can throw articles at me all you want (and I recognise some of what he says about the increase in life expectancy etc) and I could throw some back at you (have done on the EU thread) but you are failing to see that the quality of life for an increasing number of people (more than the few he acknowledges) has got worse with increasing hours worked for less money and a need to top up with in work benefits, little prospect (in the UK) of buying their own home or their offspring even renting their own homes (unless they get pregnant and hide their boyfriends)

Please don't miss this - It's the reason Trump got elected, Brexit happened, right and left wing parties are rising across Europe.

Or would you rather call them stupid racists who aren't recognising that their lives have got better like the man says?
 
Also very important to accept that Trump won legitimately. Bush winning v Gore was a non legitimate steal but Trump (with the weight of the media against him) v Clinton wasn't (and as he says if he had had to have won via the popular vote he would have campaigned differently and surely won that too)

Two million plus fewer votes. CIA asserting Russian meddling in the process.

I'd say he has a tainted mandate, there.
 
Bruce, you can throw articles at me all you want (and I recognise some of what he says about the increase in life expectancy etc) and I could throw some back at you (have done on the EU thread) but you are failing to see that the quality of life for an increasing number of people (more than the few he acknowledges) has got worse with increasing hours worked for less money and a need to top up with in work benefits, little prospect (in the UK) of buying their own home or their offspring even renting their own homes (unless they get pregnant and hide their boyfriends)

Please don't miss this - It's the reason Trump got elected, Brexit happened, right and left wing parties are rising across Europe.

Or would you rather call them stupid racists who aren't recognising that their lives have got better like the man says?

I don't think Norberg is calling people stupid, but rather highlighting the kind of cognitive biases that can distort our thinking without us knowing it. As I've said in the EU thread, I don't doubt that there are those that are 'left behind', but Trump is in this for himself, not them. He's still signed up to produce the next series of The Apprentice ffs and has filled his cabinet with more billionaires than you can shake a stick at. It's a joke, and you sense his 'industrial strategy' will be based on who sends him a nice tweet rather than anything coherent.

Populism is bad not because they claim to stick up for the little man, it's bad because:

a) they blatantly ignore any possible benefits of globalisation in terms of the breadth and price of things we can buy
b) they stoke up divisions in society by suggesting that AN Other (usually foreign) is to blame for the problems of the people they hope to attract
c) they say absolutely nothing about the numerous, realistic and slightly boring things that policy makers can do to improve matters, and instead try and portray a complex situation as being solved by building a wall (whether physically or metaphorical). It's them that are treating people like idiots to be honest.
 
There you go spouting rubbish again. Landslide win? Hardly.

Rubbish?, I could say same thing about your comment. You just have to understand how US election system works. When you do youll see Trumps win considering all the bias was a strong message from the peoples and infact a landslide win.
 
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Rubbish?, I could say same thing about your comment. You just have to understand how US election system works. When you do youll see Trumps win considering all the bias was a strong message from the peoples and infact a landslide win.

Yes, mate, I did study American government and politics as part of my degree. I do understand the difference between the popular vote and the electoral college.
 
Yes, mate, I did study American government and politics as part of my degree. I do understand the difference between the popular vote and the electoral college.
Ok. Then you have to understand that talking about Hillarys popular vote win is something like Hammers bragging of being world cup winners.
 
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