Current Affairs Donald Trump POS: Judgement cometh and that right soon

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Has he got round to 'phoning that May woman yet?

They already spoke

 

[abelard]

Let’s be very, very clear: This election ultimately wasn’t about defeating the “establishment.” It was about defeating the progressive establishment. The Republican establishment — the hated “GOPe” — ends this year with more power than it’s enjoyed in a century, and perhaps since Reconstruction. Mitch McConnell is more powerful. Paul Ryan is more powerful. The Republican party will control the White House, Congress, judicial nominations, and the vast majority of the states. The Republican party runs the United States. The GOP presidential landslides of 1972, 1980, 1984, and 1988 were inconsequential by comparison, resulting in divided government and with Democrats far more ascendant at the state level. By contrast, there is now a Republican governor of Vermont. And if you think that Trump carried down-ballot Republicans to victory, think again. He undoubtedly helped secure victories in states such as Indiana, Missouri, and Pennsylvania, but in Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, and Wisconsin, the Republican Senate victor won more votes than Trump. In close losses like Nevada and (perhaps) New Hampshire, the GOP Senate candidate also out-polled Trump. Tea-party Republicans won. Establishment center-right Republicans won. And they won not just because Republican voters turned out — GOP turnout wasn’t particularly heavy, and Trump is likely to win roughly the same number of votes that Romney did — but because Democrats stayed home by the millions.

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...t-progressive-agenda-rightward-shift-historic

BTW, if you think NR backed Trump, you haven't been reading the National Review. The nation did just stand astride history and say "STOP!", though.

That's an impressively self-serving interpretation from the publication that brought us gems like this:

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"It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn’t. The white middle class may like the idea of Trump as a giant pulsing humanoid middle finger held up in the face of the Cathedral, they may sing hymns to Trump the destroyer and whisper darkly about “globalists” and — odious, stupid term — “the Establishment,” but nobody did this to them. They failed themselves.

If you spend time in hardscrabble, white upstate New York, or eastern Kentucky, or my own native West Texas, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy — which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog — you will come to an awful realization. It wasn’t Beijing. It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that.

Nothing happened to them. There wasn’t some awful disaster. There wasn’t a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence — and the incomprehensible malice — of poor white America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain’t what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down.

The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your goddamned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul."
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The Republican Party only has one way of speaking about the poor, and when poor whites threatened to stop being subservient to tax cuts for billionaires, "letting people die on the streets," as Ted Cruz intimated during the debate, and endless global warfare, it was just a matter of madlibbing in "white" to the template already used for decades against black people

and Liberals are meant to be the clueless condescending elites!

 

[neil999]

That's an impressively self-serving interpretation from the publication that brought us gems like this:

"It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn’t. The white middle class may like the idea of Trump as a giant pulsing humanoid middle finger held up in the face of the Cathedral, they may sing hymns to Trump the destroyer and whisper darkly about “globalists” and — odious, stupid term — “the Establishment,” but nobody did this to them. They failed themselves.

If you spend time in hardscrabble, white upstate New York, or eastern Kentucky, or my own native West Texas, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy — which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog — you will come to an awful realization. It wasn’t Beijing. It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that.

Nothing happened to them. There wasn’t some awful disaster. There wasn’t a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence — and the incomprehensible malice — of poor white America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain’t what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down.

The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your goddamned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul."

ooh eck, is this the alt left?!

 

[abelard]

ooh eck, is this the alt left?!

you would think so. but no, the non-alt right, which is now declaring victory, according to @mezzrow's post
http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ral-responsibilities-defense-kevin-williamson

 

[mezzrow]

That's an impressively self-serving interpretation from the publication that brought us gems like this:

"It is immoral because it perpetuates a lie: that the white working class that finds itself attracted to Trump has been victimized by outside forces. It hasn’t. The white middle class may like the idea of Trump as a giant pulsing humanoid middle finger held up in the face of the Cathedral, they may sing hymns to Trump the destroyer and whisper darkly about “globalists” and — odious, stupid term — “the Establishment,” but nobody did this to them. They failed themselves.

If you spend time in hardscrabble, white upstate New York, or eastern Kentucky, or my own native West Texas, and you take an honest look at the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy — which is to say, the whelping of human children with all the respect and wisdom of a stray dog — you will come to an awful realization. It wasn’t Beijing. It wasn’t even Washington, as bad as Washington can be. It wasn’t immigrants from Mexico, excessive and problematic as our current immigration levels are. It wasn’t any of that.

Nothing happened to them. There wasn’t some awful disaster. There wasn’t a war or a famine or a plague or a foreign occupation. Even the economic changes of the past few decades do very little to explain the dysfunction and negligence — and the incomprehensible malice — of poor white America. So the gypsum business in Garbutt ain’t what it used to be. There is more to life in the 21st century than wallboard and cheap sentimentality about how the Man closed the factories down.

The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your goddamned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul."

I know that passage very well, and have argued over it for hours in other fora. Kevin can write that because that's where Kevin came from and he knows of which he speaks. I came from a background not too far from it. I have no problem with people telling the hard truth to people that need to get their lives together. Read J.D. Vance's book and get back to me on this. Seriously. J.D.'s mama and granddaddy made plenty of money and pissed most it away on big cars, liquor, drugs, vacations they couldn't afford, and too much house for their family. They had no idea how to live with success.

There are too many people who need a safe space in this country, and they need to grow up, whether they are snowflakes at Yale or my cousin's boy who has been maintaining his booze/weed habits (but not his child support) on fraudulent disability for the past twelve years. We have so much to be thankful for, and so much opportunity if we will just sober up and take care of our business like we're supposed to do. That's the other side of the message that us hillbillies have been discussing with each other for the past few generations.

 

[abelard]

I know that passage very well, and have argued over it for hours in other fora. Kevin can write that because that's where Kevin came from and he knows of which he speaks. I came from a background not too far from it. I have no problem with people telling the hard truth to people that need to get their lives together. Read J.D. Vance's book and get back to me on this. Seriously. J.D.'s mama and granddaddy made plenty of money and pissed most it away on big cars, liquor, drugs, vacations they couldn't afford, and too much house for their family. They had no idea how to live with success.

There are too many people who need a safe space in this country, and they need to grow up, whether they are snowflakes at Yale or my cousin's boy who has been maintaining his booze/weed habits (but not his child support) on fraudulent disability for the past twelve years. We have so much to be thankful for, and so much opportunity if we will just sober up and take care of our business like we're supposed to do. That's the other side of the message that us hillbillies have been discussing with each other for the past few generations.

I wasn't expecting you to endorse the logic behind this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-stop-talking-about-racism-with-white-people/

the ol' argumentum ad verecundiam

do you think the first NR piece you posted is correct?

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

I... would not be so sure about this

Appreciate Your thoughts Why? He is best friends with Ryan and will get the hard work done and ease the uneasiness that Trump and Ryan share. We all understand Trump is the figurehead with excellent business ties so his forte will be the economy.

 

[mezzrow]

I wasn't expecting you to endorse the logic behind this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-stop-talking-about-racism-with-white-people/

I'm full of surprises. I may not sign on to most of it, but there's a lot of truth in it...

First, there was no racial element in Kevin's screed (and that's what it was). You can't understand it outside of the context of the life of Kevin Williamson.

Like black folks who can tell each other truths that white folks can never get away with in discussing the dysfunction of black lives, the same goes for us crackers. For much the same reason, Charles Murray's Coming Apart makes a lot of the same points, while self-consciously making sure that the social problems he is discussing are limited to a white population only, since he got so badly beat up about 20 years ago for doing some research and publishing it. Murray is hardly a Trumpster, and you'll note that I likened a Trump vote to "eating the bug."

Murray explains that white America has grown increasingly divided along class lines. There is a clear moral case being made here. The lower class is falling into illegitimacy, crime, and poverty while the upper class is excelling in education, career, and family. The main cause is simple: primarily, a devaluation of white middle class values brought on by increased intervention by the government. This intervention takes the form of welfare support, in which the government gives incentive for people to break apart families and avoid work. Meanwhile, the upper class is left alone to prosper in its highly technical fields.

You're now in our kitchen, listening to family talk, as it were. Understand that when you read it.

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/10...d-be-worth-14-billion-to-his-troubled-lender/

DRAIN THE SWAMP!

"Like pretty much every financial institution that existed during the housing bubble, Deutsche Bank has been accused of fraudulent activities. The allegation drawing the Justice Department’s attention currently concerns the selling of mortgage-backed securities to investors without informing them of the poor qualities of the underlying loans. Numerous banks have paid fines over the same conduct, though virtually no individual executives have gone to jail for it."

Donald Trump’s election has likely given a massive lifeline to Deutsche Bank, the German financial firm that has been rocked recently by rumors that they would have to pay a $14 billion fine to the Justice Department over crisis-related mortgage abuses.

That money is unlikely to ever be imposed, now that one of Deutsche Bank’s biggest borrowers – Trump – will soon be sitting in the White House.

That conflict of interest is one of the innumerable ones facing Trump as he leaves his life of grifting behind and becomes the nation’s chief executive. While the Justice Department is nominally independent of the White House, I had to stop writing this sentence because of constant laughing. Trump could easily move to protect his personal investments by aiding his business partner Deutsche Bank.

Investors have taken notice. Deutsche Bank stock jumped over 5 percent as the market opened Thursday, after rising more modestly on Wednesday."

Likely all financial institutions will be helped. Just look at the financials yesterday People are in amazement. Pro business, low taxes and positive growth. This will likely trickle down to most nations.

 

[abelard]

Appreciate Your thoughts Why? He is best friends with Ryan and will get the hard work done and ease the uneasiness that Trump and Ryan share. We all understand Trump is the figurehead with excellent business ties so his forte will be the economy.

oh... I don't doubt he might be the real power behind the throne, and can reach out to mainstream Republicans. but you said "catalyst in bringing the country together," and (hopefully) without being judgemental, Pence terrifies just about every last woman i've met here. i'm not sure he sees "bringing the country together" as particularly desirable, if we're including the Blue parts

 

[ilikecheese]

Appreciate Your thoughts Why? He is best friends with Ryan and will get the hard work done and ease the uneasiness that Trump and Ryan share. We all understand Trump is the figurehead with excellent business ties so his forte will be the economy.

How many times has he been in bankruptcy court?

 

[abelard]

I'm full of surprises. I may not sign on to most of it, but there's a lot of truth in it...

First, there was no racial element in Kevin's screed (and that's what it was). You can't understand it outside of the context of the life of Kevin Williamson.

Like black folks who can tell each other truths that white folks can never get away with in discussing the dysfunction of black lives, the same goes for us crackers. For much the same reason, Charles Murray's Coming Apart makes a lot of the same points, while self-consciously making sure that the social problems he is discussing are limited to a white population only, since he got so badly beat up about 20 years ago for doing some research and publishing it. Murray is hardly a Trumpster, and you'll note that I likened a Trump vote to "eating the bug."

You're now in our kitchen, listening to family talk, as it were. Understand that when you read it.

not a challenge, just curious

what about the NR piece?

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

How many times has he been in bankruptcy court?

Do you believe that the US is bankrupt at the moment? 20 trillion on Obama's watch. It has doubled in eight years.
Many people file for bankruptcy look at financial advocate Dave Ramsey.

 

[Moomin]

How many times has he been in bankruptcy court?

Is he the one who hates gay people and wants to fund money into therapy to cure them??

 

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

oh... I don't doubt he might be the real power behind the throne, and can reach out to mainstream Republicans. but you said "catalyst in bringing the country together," and (hopefully) without being judgemental, Pence terrifies just about every last woman i've met here. i'm not sure he sees "bringing the country together" as particularly desirable, if we're including the Blue parts

I must admit 50% is hurt no matter which way this election went. I would check the numbers for how many women that did vote for Trump it will surprise many. He is a blowhard but we will have to see if he has any merit in his first hundred days.