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[tsubaki]

Kaepernick is going to go down in history more so due to the NFL not giving him a job, the Trump part is smaller imo.

He has 32 billionaires colluding against him and Eric Reid.

I fully support Kaepernick in what he is doing, but this insistence that he is being not given a job because of his politics would be a lot stronger if the last three/four years at SF had been as good as his first two were (and also if his bird apologised for that Ray Lewis thing).

Basically what he is being denied is the chance to be a backup that someone takes a chance on, rather than the next Tom Brady being kept out of the game.

 

[Ruairi77]

I doubt this will be the case, even sportsman who stop at 19/20 are more remembered for what they did when they were sportsman than not getting jobs after, strange statement to make

Where this is different to the norm is that he's taking the owners of the NFL franchises to court and claiming that they colluded against him. That they all agreed not to hire him. If this is found true, it's huge stuff and terrible news for the NFL.
If Kaepernick wins his case, he may well be remembered as the player who brought down the NFL. Funny thing is, I'm not sure if I'm exaggerating here.
It will be really interesting to see what happens on the first game day because you can bet your backside Trump will have ratcheted up the rhetoric prior to the start of the season

 

[Ruairi77]

Also looks like Mueller has brought more charges against Manafort.
Seems like he's given up on Manafort flipping and now just wants to throw the book at him!

 

[ilikecheese]

I fully support Kaepernick in what he is doing, but this insistence that he is being not given a job because of his politics would be a lot stronger if the last three/four years at SF had been as good as his first two were (and also if his bird apologised for that Ray Lewis thing).

Basically what he is being denied is the chance to be a backup that someone takes a chance on, rather than the next Tom Brady being kept out of the game.

I fully support him too, and I agree he's not a starting quality player at this point. That said he's definitely a better backup that probably 90% of the backups. All that being said I can understand why a team would not want the distraction too.

For me the crime is that he's been demonized in the first place. He started kneeling to show respect to the military and flag. Initially he was sitting and he had a long talk with Nate Boyer who is a veteran and played in the NFL. As a way to show respect it was Boyer who suggested he take a knee.

Trump and the right wing have flipped the conversation.

 

[Walken]

Where this is different to the norm is that he's taking the owners of the NFL franchises to court and claiming that they colluded against him. That they all agreed not to hire him. If this is found true, it's huge stuff and terrible news for the NFL.
If Kaepernick wins his case, he may well be remembered as the player who brought down the NFL. Funny thing is, I'm not sure if I'm exaggerating here.
It will be really interesting to see what happens on the first game day because you can bet your backside Trump will have ratcheted up the rhetoric prior to the start of the season

ahh I see what @Yank was saying now, I realise coincidentally the lad was unable to get a game anywhere since, I don't know if successful you could bring down such a profitable organisation, I mean surely every single fan realises the reason no team will pick him up and are still tuning in, do they really need a court to confirm it for them

 

[Ruairi77]

ahh I see what @Yank was saying now, I realise coincidentally the lad was unable to get a game anywhere since, I don't know if successful you could bring down such a profitable organisation, I mean surely every single fan realises the reason no team will pick him up and are still tuning in, do they really need a court to confirm it for them

I think the bigger issue is sponsorships and endorsements. If the league is found to have intentionally kept him out of a job because of his civil rights protests, sponsors will flee the brand. That said, sports betting has just been OK'd by the supreme court so a ton of betting companies will probably fill the void left by major companies.

 

[MrPerfectNot]

The big recent change is the players being on the field for it. They used to come out after it was played. The NFL signed a deal with the US Armed Forces a few years back and now the players are on the field.

The next labor negotiations the owners have with the players is going to be a tough one. They changed the rules without getting it into the labor agreement.

Ah good point - here's a source saying they started being on field during the Anthem in 2009.

https://www.axios.com/the-history-o...769-97a4edd0-6748-432d-b1cc-2b377848e712.html

 

[ilikecheese]

Ah good point - here's a source saying they started being on field during the Anthem in 2009.

https://www.axios.com/the-history-o...769-97a4edd0-6748-432d-b1cc-2b377848e712.html

The rule I was talking about was the new rule that players have to stand or else stay in the locker room. That was totally done by the owners. It was not collectively bargained. People can talk about the NFL as if it's just like any private company, but it's not. The NFLPA is a powerful labor union that the average person isn't represented by.

 

[peteblue]

The rule I was talking about was the new rule that players have to stand or else stay in the locker room. That was totally done by the owners. It was not collectively bargained. People can talk about the NFL as if it's just like any private company, but it's not. The NFLPA is a powerful labor union that the average person isn't represented by.

The owners should have just said, stand or don’t bother turning up and your contract is cancelled........

 

[ilikecheese]

The owners should have just said, stand or don’t bother turning up and your contract is cancelled........

Sorry mate there is a collective bargaining agreement in place. Either collectively bargain it and add it to the existing agreement or pipe down until it's time for a new agreement.

 

[glorydaze]

The owners should have just said, stand or don’t bother turning up and your contract is cancelled........

Your so right, these players should realise free speech is only for the rich elite. They should know their place and and ignore the line in the anthem "the land of the free and home of the brave".

 

[ilikecheese]

Your so right, these players should realise free speech is only for the rich elite. They should know their place and and ignore the line in the anthem "the land of the free and home of the brave".

Yes and no. In the NBA for example the players are required to stand. The difference is that it was included as part of the NBA's labor negotiations. When your labor force is unionized you simply can't throw new rules into place without labor agreeing to it. Dems da rulez.

 

[Ruairi77]

Yes and no. In the NBA for example the players are required to stand. The difference is that it was included as part of the NBA's labor negotiations. When your labor force is unionized you simply can't throw new rules into place without labor agreeing to it. Dems da rulez.

It would be a ballsy NBA owner to fire a kneeling player for breach of contract.

 

[ilikecheese]

It would be a ballsy NBA owner to fire a kneeling player for breach of contract.

They would be in violation of the labor agreement so a fine/suspension would be in order I reckon.

*edit* From the league office.

 

[Yank]

ahh I see what @Yank was saying now, I realise coincidentally the lad was unable to get a game anywhere since, I don't know if successful you could bring down such a profitable organisation, I mean surely every single fan realises the reason no team will pick him up and are still tuning in, do they really need a court to confirm it for them

I actually think public perception is the larger and more impactful aspect of the story. When you talk about him in 30 years, or the league, Kaepernick couldn't even get a job will be what people remember. Especially those in the black community that largely makes up the rank and file of NFL players.

I think how the coming generations view it will be more telling in terms of the Kaepernick story. Trump has a difficult relationship with that community and will continue too. That will last through out his presidency, and I by no means think the NFL is more important than the presidency.

But I do find the more interesting story to be the relationship between players, current and future, and the black community's view of the league when it comes to Kaepernick.

Just my opinion, and I fully agree with the poster, Kaepernick's performance dropped. However, I do think he is a fringe to lower tier starter or a good back up. The quarterbacking in that league is awful. I'm a Bills fan, if I know one thing it's poor to mediocre quarterbacking.