Current Affairs Does democracy work?

[magicjuan]

The biggest problem we have in this country is the idea of voting for your PM vs voting for your local MP. If the system was different and the focus was squarely on the local MP, I think folk would be a lot more engaged, as it would more directly affect them.

imo my MP speaks for me and my constituency in parliament. There should be no referenda - the MP is my proxy vote, whatever they vote for speaks for the whole constituency. If folk don't like that, vote for a different candidate.

When there are overlaps in policy direction alternatives are few.

 

[The Cowboy]

When there are overlaps in policy direction alternatives are few.

Is that not a symptom of the current system though?

 

[Boss_Blue]

yeah the bogs were blocked!

Don't force me to make you appear more foolish than you already do Don.

 

[Donald Twain]

Don't force me to make you appear more foolish than you already do Don.

lol at Orly appearing from nowhere with a like suck!

 

[Donald Twain]

Don't force me to make you appear more foolish than you already do Don.

suck my banger Big boy!

 

[Boss_Blue]

suck my banger Big boy!

Incidentally, that's how I afforded my tuition fees.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

 

[magicjuan]

Nope.

Democracy can never truly work properly, but it can be improved upon and is better than any other system I can think of.

That was Plato's thought. The best of the worst forms of governance.

In the west we have the means to become more participatory in decision making, we choose not to, through disheartenment or distraction, fewer are engaged in the democratic process as the legacy of the 70s and 80s unfettered capitalism has left us far more self centred in the west than almost all 'empires' in history.

Laissez faire capitalism is an empire, a corporatocracy, that wholly dismisses the consequences of its actions on people, it doesn't divide on gender, race or creed as everone becomes a commodity in a process or system. To be able to do this it has bought off or riden roughshod over democracy, sometimes blatantly, sometimes subtly.

There is no political system that can correct it, not communism, socialism or conservatism, save for global collapse or catastrophic event. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be challenged. For the control by this corporatocracy has only one end, it goes off a cliff and is challenged by uprising, revolt, this possibly causing a catastrophic event.

We have no democracy. We play a game we don't know the rules to.

Conspiracists use the word 'sheeple' to describe the participants in the game and generally that truly applies.

 

[Boss_Blue]

 

[Boss_Blue]

I suspect that I am somewhat lowering the tone in this thread.

 

[1966efc]

Incidentally, that's how I afforded my tuition fees.

Wasn't it you who advertised in the toilets at Crewe Station?

 

[Boss_Blue]

Wasn't it you who advertised in the toilets at Crewe Station?

Lime Street mate.

 

[1966efc]

Lime Street mate.

Oh. Well you won't be wanting the false teeth I kept.

 

[magicjuan]

Is that not a symptom of the current system though?

Quite. We have people with good intentions falling into the trap of playing the game, naturally through ego, or by coercion to the point of blackmail.

Part of the problem is the language used to 'uphold' the merits of 'democracy', making out it is righteous ( a hangover from religious influence down the years) and we expect the representative participants to be as such too, but they're not, we're not. But failure to meet that expectancy is met with absolute derision.

Some think they can play within the game, but the system only needs to have strategic supporters to survive and protect itself. I read it once described like a row of dominoes, the one in the front is taking the flak but the others have to protect it to stop them all falling if it goes.

If we spent more time looking for new ways of governance than attacking participants we might get change, as it is we see the players as the complete weakness but not the strategy of the game. Let's be honest, the whole brexit thing is/was a stitch up from start to finish, do we really believe whichever aay it goes it will be down to the 'will of the people'?

 

[Boss_Blue]

Oh. Well you won't be wanting the false teeth I kept.

Depends.

What condition are they in and how much do you want for them?