Do Everton need a clearout?

[smileychap]

It would be good if we could move on McNeil, Tarkowski, Keane and Mykolenko. These footballers have an avoid relegation mindset similar to the current manager. The first 3 have been trying to avoid relegation for their whole careers.

Exactly. There is obvious business to be done.

I don't know what a 'clear out' looks like in numbers... but as little as 3-4 positions + manager change drastically alters the team.

GK, fine
LBs, could live with myko, try Adam
RB, buy + Garner cover ( otherwise he's in at CDM )
CBs, Jake and JoB, Tarks as cover + buy
RHS: Dibling/ Illy
LHS: George / Grealish
CDMs: Rohl, Tim, Gana as cover + buy
No.10's... Harrison/ kdh?
CF: Beto + buy + Graham...

So with McNeil, Alcatraz, Keane, Seamus, Barry all making way that's 5 x salaries and selling fees (40- 50m the lot) for a CF, CB, CDM and RB...

prob needs either 2 x loans or no more than 30-50m injected from TFG...

I'm not saying this is a killer team, only that for relatively little spend we could drastically change where we're weak without a 'clear out' or unfunded spend. That's still a squad of 22 +

+ Manager change

 

[trueblue84]

Totally agree on the club media, it is shocking. If anything plays down expectations than it's it's the Instant media posts I read on here straight after defeats or bad Interviews by Moyes.

I honestly don't know how people buy in to it, They always seem to have a pre-planned love in post to send out.

Been a problem since the kenwright days and has persisted. That has to be others in the club who have been happy to continue the behaviour.

 

[blue1948]

What's that look like? What has to happen for a winning culture? How does that manifest within Everton FC as an organisation?

We have to have a manager with a winning at almost all cost mentality ,we saw that the team Dyche had was not a bad as he made them look ,well I am sure a good manager would do the same again ,one who wants to win every game not be happy with a draw against any team -even if he knew in his heart we had little chance ,one who could instil belief in themselves not fear and respect for our oppenents .
Then get shut of the old boys brigade mentality ,I don't want a place where we have won nothing to be somewhere they are happy to croon on about as though it is a spa /hotel in the sun .
Not good enough means not good enough,not they are a great bunch of guys . Is it neccessary for then to know the clubs history and kiss the badge before they have kicked a ball ? I want players who want to see if we are good enought for them not the other way around .

 

[Swartzy]

Been a problem since the kenwright days and has persisted. That has to be others in the club who have been happy to continue the behaviour.

Remove that behaviour and there is a tick from me, still need a lot lot more ticks but that's a simple place to start.
Don't praise what hasn't been earnt.

 

[blueblue]

We need to keep adding better quality players to the squad... same as every other team.

We don't need a clear out and couldn't afford one anyway.

 

[matty1878]

We can have the best players in the world and we'll still never win a button with Moyes. He'd still play for a draw in the derby and have a negative attitude regardless of who we have upfront, that's who he is as manager. There's a reason that no fanbase has ever taken to him and at best see him as a place holder to steady the ship.

we had carlo and won … 11th place

 

[trueblue84]

we had carlo and won … 11th place

And the club hierarchy told him he'd done a good job.

 

[matty1878]

And the club hierarchy told him he'd done a good job.

which is different to the one we have now

 

[matty1878]

But would you be happy with Moyes handling the transfers?

that i don’t know IF he’s signed dibling!

 

[trueblue84]

which is different to the one we have now

Different people, same culture. Kinnear has shown his and the owners' hand in his interview. Worrying signs for the years ahead.

 

[matty1878]

Different people, same culture. Kinnear has shown his and the owners' hand in his interview. Worrying signs for the years ahead.

we don’t know that yet mate ffs

( other than kinnears comments )

which he’s not going to air if moyes is poo we will sack him is he

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

we had carlo and won … 11th place

At least Anchelotti won a derby, and at castle grayskull no less. That's something we'd never manage under the coward.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

we had carlo and won … 11th place

Carlo has never been the kind of coach to make a silk purse out of a sows ear as he only works to his potential with ready made international stars. He was completely the wrong fit for us and i used to cringe at all that Don Carlo hero worshipping stuff for a manager who was only using us because we gave him a fat wedge of cash and who couldn't wait to crawl back to Real Madrid despite him criticising them with the European Super League farce

 

[blue1948]

Carlo has never been the kind of coach to make a silk purse out of a sows ear as he only works to his potential with ready made international stars. He was completely the wrong fit for us and i used to cringe at all that Don Carlo hero worshipping stuff for a manager who was only using us because we gave him a fat wedge of cash and who couldn't wait to crawl back to Real Madrid despite him criticising them with the European Super League farce

A bit harsh he did give us James ,when he wasn't on a plane somewhere ! This is my point from another post we want players who earn the shirt not who are given it by a mate . How many of Fergies ,Shankly's or Wengers players truly like them ,respected them for sure but they were thrown out when the time come with ne'er a sideways glance . Very few got into the backroom .

 

[matty1878]

At least Anchelotti won a derby, and at castle grayskull no less. That's something we'd never manage under the coward.

ah in lockdown