Diving

[Goat]

Not so much diving, but what about feigning injury? Even when Richarlison gets a free kick, he clearly exaggerates the pain. Why?Just man up, you tart

Getting volleyed in the leg hurts.

 

[Sporting Billy]

Getting volleyed in the leg hurts.

Didn’t seem to hurt players as much 20 years ago

 

[Goat]

Didn’t seem to hurt players as much 20 years ago

Probably cos their blood was mostly beer back then.

 

[Milkman]

Getting volleyed in the leg hurts.

It does, but it rarely actually happens to him.

 

[Cels]

Don't mind it if there is contact the blatant no contact ones are embarrassing
I think we are one of the only clubs that got fined for it Niasse at Palace away ?
it was going on at practically every game at Liverpool and Utd nothing was done about it

Lanzini was also retrospectively punished for diving a few weeks after Niasse. I am sure they are the only players it's happened to; don't think any player from the 'top teams' has been punished like that, but I may be wrong.

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[MrGrumpy]

The top team do it week in and out and pundits even say if you don’t go down they don’t get a pen. Look at Salah amount of won pens.. has one ever been a pen

 

[Houghty19]

If you needed any more evidence that var is being run by biased individuals you only have to look at the challenge just in the city Liverpool game over the the ball studs down the shin taking the city bloke out much worse than Allan's challenge the other week var looks at it and says no red only a yellow. Disgraceful but then we all know that.

 

[SJB]

But if the refs are noticing him diving he should be getting booked for it. So by not booking him, they are acknowledging there was contact.

Not enough contact to go down or that he initiates the contact I guess. Yellows for simulation seem pretty uncommon.

 

[Marius57]

Not enough contact to go down or that he initiates the contact I guess. Yellows for simulation seem pretty uncommon.

So the ref isn't following the rules of the game if he deems either of those things and doesn't give a card for the dive.

When running at that pace, around a player, it really doesn't take much to be knocked off balance.

 

[Joey66]

Since Var rarely given now even if they are looked at?

 

[ClausThomsen]

Just because its happened for decades does not make it right. So has murder and so have fraudulent thieving tories.

But I disagree - teams never WIN by cheating. They cheat. They're not winners. Nobody won the last euros competition in my eyes. The team in blue were cheats.

I didn't claim that cheating is "right".

I was arguing the point about "if the entertainment is ever to be a sport again" and removing cheating being a necessity for that. If this cheating means it isn't a sport but is in fact purely entertainment then by that definition it arguably has never been a sport at all. And it can't go back to being something it never was.

There has never been a winner of anything in the history of team sports that haven't at some point bent the rules or outright cheated at some point in their path to victory. Every team has a player who at some point deceives to gain an advantage. Always have done but by your definition it reads like nobody has ever won anything.

And I'm a bit gutted about that as I remember the 1980's

 

[peteblue]

They all do it, kick the leg towards the defender and then fall over. It’s boring, it’s obvious, yet the pundits and the refs never see it…..it puts me off football tbh….

 

[ClausThomsen]

Don't think it was a dive yesterday. Sprinting full pelt around someone, so not in a straight line, any sort of clip will knock you off balance.

I don't think it was intentional, but there was contact, and Gordon would have won the ball, so regardless of intent or accidental, it's a foul.

If not, then it's a booking for Gordon. Which is wasn't. So it's poor reffing than anything else.

I think there is wriggle room for an accidental coming together not being a foul. If both players are entitled to challenge in the same area of the field then physical contact is allowed. The ref could well have viewed it as that or simply suspected a dive but not been fully sure of it in which case benefit of the doubt comes in.

Definitely agree on the running at full pelt thing though. Played a bit of Rugby League in my younger days and a very slight but well timed ankle tap was often enough to send the biggest lad into a clumsy and comical looking tumble to the ground.

 

[Marius57]

I think there is wriggle room for an accidental coming together not being a foul. If both players are entitled to challenge in the same area of the field then physical contact is allowed. The ref could well have viewed it as that or simply suspected a dive but not been fully sure of it in which case benefit of the doubt comes in.

Definitely agree on the running at full pelt thing though. Played a bit of Rugby League in my younger days and a very slight but well timed ankle tap was often enough to send the biggest lad into a clumsy and comical looking tumble to the ground.

But if a striker is ahead of the defender and going to get the ball, in the box, if there is an accidental coming together, it is still a foul because it has potentially prevented them scoring. Every foul should be accidental technically anyway, because if you are intending to foul, it goes against the sportsmanship of the game and they call it a professional foul.

 

[chrismpw]

I didn't claim that cheating is "right".

I was arguing the point about "if the entertainment is ever to be a sport again" and removing cheating being a necessity for that. If this cheating means it isn't a sport but is in fact purely entertainment then by that definition it arguably has never been a sport at all. And it can't go back to being something it never was.

There has never been a winner of anything in the history of team sports that haven't at some point bent the rules or outright cheated at some point in their path to victory. Every team has a player who at some point deceives to gain an advantage. Always have done but by your definition it reads like nobody has ever won anything.

And I'm a bit gutted about that as I remember the 1980's

Ah right - I get your point.

You're right - sport has always been tainted by those selfish greedy types who will seek to achieve glory where it isn't warranted (as I type this I think of all the cynical cheats I've played football with who time after time thought nothing of intercepting a class pass with their hand to stop a chance, or pulled someone back ... all of whom have been fans of the rs) ... but to me there's a fine line between a hefty challenge or a tight trip caused by speed of a tackle and blatant throwing yourself down becausw someone was within 5 yards (a la Gerrard ONCE he was in the area). One is down to clumsiness, the other is sociopathic greed denting other competitors of a fair chance of success.