Discussion & help on depression & mental health related issues

Not asking for a friend rather a much loved family member. Life long anxiety and depression, had a horrible downturn sparked by George Floyd. They feel they can’t breathe, can’t sleep, feel panicked all the time but don’t know why.

I have got the GP involved and they are changing their meds. Off Doscuplin and onto Mirtazapine. Had a counselling session by phone today but I’m not seeing any change in them. I know it’s only one week in and they say give a tablet change 6 weeks but it is so hard to see someone this bad.

Any advice much appreciated, just wish I knew what to say to them.
Learning some breathing techniques can often help. I face the person with anxiety arms length apart. Tell them you will do it with them. Hold their hands and together breath in deep and exhale really slowly, three or four times together. Repeat it again. It gives them reasurence that it hopefully works. Have some relaxing music on in background. Another way is swimming which I have said on here before, has a really good evidence base. Just being in the water can be relaxing. Same riding a bike. To he most obvious one is reasurence. Tell them they are safe, your here for them, they have friends and be available to them wherever possible. People who are anxious and experiencing PTSD need to feel safe first and foremost. Tell them it's trial and error until you fall back on the one that works. I'll give you one more which I know has worked for a log of people. Knitting. It's apparently very very relaxing and did you know it was utilised by many of the men returning from combat. It was done in groups, people socialised, took their mind of things. Don't laugh at the knitting one my friend, it has worked for a lot of people and you know what, if it works for you, crack on. So reassurence and exploring what works for the person. If things don't work, leave it and try another thing but fundamentally its about comfort, safety and re assurence. Good luck to you and your friend.
 
Learning some breathing techniques can often help. I face the person with anxiety arms length apart. Tell them you will do it with them. Hold their hands and together breath in deep and exhale really slowly, three or four times together. Repeat it again. It gives them reasurence that it hopefully works. Have some relaxing music on in background. Another way is swimming which I have said on here before, has a really good evidence base. Just being in the water can be relaxing. Same riding a bike. To he most obvious one is reasurence. Tell them they are safe, your here for them, they have friends and be available to them wherever possible. People who are anxious and experiencing PTSD need to feel safe first and foremost. Tell them it's trial and error until you fall back on the one that works. I'll give you one more which I know has worked for a log of people. Knitting. It's apparently very very relaxing and did you know it was utilised by many of the men returning from combat. It was done in groups, people socialised, took their mind of things. Don't laugh at the knitting one my friend, it has worked for a lot of people and you know what, if it works for you, crack on. So reassurence and exploring what works for the person. If things don't work, leave it and try another thing but fundamentally its about comfort, safety and re assurence. Good luck to you and your friend.
That is really helpful advice and I will definitely try the breathing and suggest the others.

I appreciate you taking the time to post that mate x.
 
Face to face is not an option. The GP when hearing about breathing difficulties told them to go for a Covid test but knowing their history agreed to an appointment. GP is brilliant and knows that they use them almost as a counsellor and she hasn’t let them down.

We went for a short walk today (they’re early 70s) but any relief is just so short term. Panic panic panic but doesn’t know why, a constant flight response from them.

I’m praying they will get better, just find some sort of normal soon but Jesus it is hard to see it, support them and still switch on happy Dad when I get home.

Not about me though, just looking a bit of inspiration to be able to say the right thing and help them.
" Say the right thing and help them ". This 100%. Remember there isn't a reference book of right things. I wish there was. Your there for them, that's important. Well done.
 
He's 15 and this was the 1st Fathers Day I've not seen him. Didn't get so much as a text. I've brought it on myself but it hurts. Feels like I'm losing him. I deserve everything i get
 
He's 15 and this was the 1st Fathers Day I've not seen him. Didn't get so much as a text. I've brought it on myself but it hurts. Feels like I'm losing him. I deserve everything i get
Harry perfectly understandable your " beating yourself up " but at some point you have to try to move forward. Your mental health - self esteem - will start to be effected otherwise. As has been said before and I think you may have done this already? , you can write the letter to him. Tell him you've made mistakes, your sorry, but you love him still and would.likebyo see him as much as possible. At least your demonstrating some remorse and that HE is worth fighting for. He's fifteen, not stupid and will know your at least trying. What he will beat YOU up with a s you don't make an effort. Then wait. It's awfull for you but you obviously love your son. I'm sure you said you had contacted him already via a letter so give him a big space to think things through. Good luck and I hope things start to be a bit more promising for you.
 

I’ve been having a really rough time mentally after my gran passing away a couple of months ago - been working from home, and though my colleagues and TL on my current team have always been super passive aggressive, my tolerance for it has plummeted and essentially ended up at the point of being bullied.

I have BPD which kinda makes virtually every situation worse in one way or another, and have definitely been struggling to cope lately, or using unhealthy coping methods, as the meds just haven’t really been cutting it, but I’m not sure what to do. I’m a bit apprehensive about taking time off on sick due to it, as at my last place I was treated horrifically as soon as they found out about my mental health problems (I work in investments, so I’m not surprised at that kind of behaviour given the amount of knobs in my industry)
 
I’ve been having a really rough time mentally after my gran passing away a couple of months ago - been working from home, and though my colleagues and TL on my current team have always been super passive aggressive, my tolerance for it has plummeted and essentially ended up at the point of being bullied.

I have BPD which kinda makes virtually every situation worse in one way or another, and have definitely been struggling to cope lately, or using unhealthy coping methods, as the meds just haven’t really been cutting it, but I’m not sure what to do. I’m a bit apprehensive about taking time off on sick due to it, as at my last place I was treated horrifically as soon as they found out about my mental health problems (I work in investments, so I’m not surprised at that kind of behaviour given the amount of knobs in my industry)
I am very sorry to hear about to gran passing. My condolences for you and your family! As for your colleagues being passive aggressive, if you are able, just cut them out of your life. Its easier to push forward without cancerous people holding you back from happiness and well being. If you dont feel like that is an acceptable route, maybe sit down and have a chat with them. Some times they may not realize how much it is affecting you from the inside if you maintain composure on the outside. Happened to me many times growing up.
One of the best things to do would be to talk with a professional mental health advisor/counselor from your area. Many are covered by insurance or offer free services. They would help talk through problems with you and really gear your for success. But always know you always have the GOT family to lean on. My DMs are always open if you need a chat about anything whether mental health related, or if you want to talk about anything. Keep that chin up and never give up :)
 
I am very sorry to hear about to gran passing. My condolences for you and your family! As for your colleagues being passive aggressive, if you are able, just cut them out of your life. Its easier to push forward without cancerous people holding you back from happiness and well being. If you dont feel like that is an acceptable route, maybe sit down and have a chat with them. Some times they may not realize how much it is affecting you from the inside if you maintain composure on the outside. Happened to me many times growing up.
One of the best things to do would be to talk with a professional mental health advisor/counselor from your area. Many are covered by insurance or offer free services. They would help talk through problems with you and really gear your for success. But always know you always have the GOT family to lean on. My DMs are always open if you need a chat about anything whether mental health related, or if you want to talk about anything. Keep that chin up and never give up :)
Thanks mate, I appreciate it - I’m having a meeting with my manager tomorrow regarding moving back to my old team, who I got on a lot better with which should help. I have a load of holidays left too, so we’re going to discuss whether or not taking a week off or something along those lines may be helpful.

I do agree on counselling though, as since being diagnosed I’ve basically just been put on meds and left to my own devices, which isn’t necessarily helpful, especially in regards to things like impulsive and self destructive behavioural patterns
 
I’ve been having a really rough time mentally after my gran passing away a couple of months ago - been working from home, and though my colleagues and TL on my current team have always been super passive aggressive, my tolerance for it has plummeted and essentially ended up at the point of being bullied.

I have BPD which kinda makes virtually every situation worse in one way or another, and have definitely been struggling to cope lately, or using unhealthy coping methods, as the meds just haven’t really been cutting it, but I’m not sure what to do. I’m a bit apprehensive about taking time off on sick due to it, as at my last place I was treated horrifically as soon as they found out about my mental health problems (I work in investments, so I’m not surprised at that kind of behaviour given the amount of knobs in my industry)
Chester us that Bi Polar Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder. Either way you need to get your meds sorted out. Any mental health professional will tell you it's a two pronged approach. Medication as an adjunct to therapy. Truth is if your not " stable " enough, it becomes a barrier to any therapeutic work that needs doing. There are loads of psychotropic medications so if you are prescribed one and it's not working, speak to your GP of mental health professional. It takes 3 - 5 weeks for any therapeutic benefits to come come to the fore. They may change your meds, change its formulation and how it's given. If your struggling to take your meds, they may offer you. " Depot ", monthly injection. You then don't have to worry about taking it if you choose that route. Speak to your GP about it. You are the expert in your own illness because you live with it. Your employer as you know is not allowed to discriminate and has an obligation to support you. As hour already doing, keep them in the picture. Chester it is important that you get your meds sorted out. They'll give you the stability in your life, allow you to " function " better and get on with your life. Good look with things buddy.
 

Chester us that Bi Polar Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder. Either way you need to get your meds sorted out. Any mental health professional will tell you it's a two pronged approach. Medication as an adjunct to therapy. Truth is if your not " stable " enough, it becomes a barrier to any therapeutic work that needs doing. There are loads of psychotropic medications so if you are prescribed one and it's not working, speak to your GP of mental health professional. It takes 3 - 5 weeks for any therapeutic benefits to come come to the fore. They may change your meds, change its formulation and how it's given. If your struggling to take your meds, they may offer you. " Depot ", monthly injection. You then don't have to worry about taking it if you choose that route. Speak to your GP about it. You are the expert in your own illness because you live with it. Your employer as you know is not allowed to discriminate and has an obligation to support you. As hour already doing, keep them in the picture. Chester it is important that you get your meds sorted out. They'll give you the stability in your life, allow you to " function " better and get on with your life. Good look with things buddy.
Borderline personality disorder, by and large my meds work pretty well, squashing the peaks and troughs in my moods to something a lot more manageable, only issue is I’ll have blips, occasionally for more extended periods of time where they’re less effective (generally when under a lot of emotional stress)

My big concern regarding work is my last employer basically started trying to dictate health assessments (including literally making me do an assessment in Altrincham when I was living in Liverpool centre) and trying to force treatments on me (and claiming me not taking treatments would be a breach of contract as it’s down to me to ensure I am fit to work) when they found out (while also alienating me and pushing me into quitting essentially) which I didn’t like at all. Though my current manager is quite nice and seems to be on my side which is a bonus I’m still concerned / untrusting of corporate.
 
Borderline personality disorder, by and large my meds work pretty well, squashing the peaks and troughs in my moods to something a lot more manageable, only issue is I’ll have blips, occasionally for more extended periods of time where they’re less effective (generally when under a lot of emotional stress)

My big concern regarding work is my last employer basically started trying to dictate health assessments (including literally making me do an assessment in Altrincham when I was living in Liverpool centre) and trying to force treatments on me (and claiming me not taking treatments would be a breach of contract as it’s down to me to ensure I am fit to work) when they found out (while also alienating me and pushing me into quitting essentially) which I didn’t like at all. Though my current manager is quite nice and seems to be on my side which is a bonus I’m still concerned / untrusting of corporate.

@anjelikaferrett is the person to advise you on your employment rights with regards to your illness mate.
 
Borderline personality disorder, by and large my meds work pretty well, squashing the peaks and troughs in my moods to something a lot more manageable, only issue is I’ll have blips, occasionally for more extended periods of time where they’re less effective (generally when under a lot of emotional stress)

My big concern regarding work is my last employer basically started trying to dictate health assessments (including literally making me do an assessment in Altrincham when I was living in Liverpool centre) and trying to force treatments on me (and claiming me not taking treatments would be a breach of contract as it’s down to me to ensure I am fit to work) when they found out (while also alienating me and pushing me into quitting essentially) which I didn’t like at all. Though my current manager is quite nice and seems to be on my side which is a bonus I’m still concerned / untrusting of corporate.
That is out and out bullying and completely inappropriate. Glad you are no longer with them. Having said that Occupational Health assessments are not necessarily a bad thing. Your employer can use them to identify any reasonable adjustments that they should have in place to help you at work. Could be even as simple as having a few extra breaks, lower productivity targets, extended sickness absence triggers. Does your current employer know about your condition? You really should tell them if they don't. You will definitely be protected by the Equality Act- even if your condition is controlled by medication and you feel alright. The Equality Act works on the impact a condition would have on you if it was unmedicated. Your previous employer was partially right but in a horrible way in that you are supposed to make your best efforts to be in work - by taking your meds or any other designated treatment. However that should be done in a supportive manner and not by someone who appears to have pulled a fake medical degree out of their backside! Have a chat to your manager, suggest an Occupational Health referral - which you have a right to see before it is submitted. You could explore what you want to get out of it together.

As always ACAS have some good advice https://www.acas.org.uk/supporting-mental-health-workplace
 
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That is out and out bullying and completely inappropriate. Glad you are no longer with them. Having said that Occupational Health assessments are not necessarily a bad thing. Your employer can use them to identify any reasonable adjustments that they should have in place to help you at work. Could be even as simple as having a few extra breaks, lower productivity targets, extended sickness absence triggers. Does your current employer know about your condition? You really should tell them if they don't. You will definitely be protected by the Equality Act- even if your condition is controlled by medication and you feel alright. The Equality Act works on the impact a condition would have on you if it was unmedicated. Your previous employer was partially right but in a horrible way in that you are supposed to make your best efforts to be in work - by taking your meds or any other designated treatment. However that should be done in a supportive manner and not by someone who appears to have pulled a fake medical degree out of their backside! Have a chat to your manager, suggest an Occupational Health referral - which you have a right to see before it is submitted. You could explore what you want to get out of it together.

As always ACAS have some good advice https://www.acas.org.uk/supporting-mental-health-workplace
Thank you for the advice, at my previous employer I perhaps should have agreed to the assessment, but after my manager compared my BPD to his gout I decided that it was pointless.

I’ll have my meeting with my manager tomorrow, so I’ll tell her then, as it could be valuable.
 

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