did city weaken or strenghten us this summer?

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bluemooner_mcfc said:
i think our next 2 games against arsenal and then united will make or break our chances really mate.

i know its only 2 games but we will be able to see how far we have come or not against them and it looks like robinho and tevez will be missing for at least the arsenal game so we will see what strength in depth we have to see us through.

we dont normally travel well over the years but we have won 2 on the road so far so have we turned that corner weve been trying to turn for 30 odd years ? time will tell LOL


how do you think we will work out taking away the whole lescott saga and seeing it from just a football view mate ?
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I think you'll have your sticky patches in the winter but I think you'll push for 4th. Can't see you finishing any higher this year.
 

Neiler...great and honest post mate.

i can see loads of what you say in your post mate and i for one aint holding my breath because ive watching city for 33 years so i know that city are the best team in the world to snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory lol

like you said even taking away city i think it will be a cracking season and i can see united,arsenal and liverpool losing a lot of points this season but i can see chelsea romping it to be honest.

a 6th place finish for me and i will be happy but i think hughes has other ideas and thats not a bad thing but like you say when you get players coming out and saying" we can win the league" it makes me cringe but to be fair only this week turdinand has come out and said united can still win the league so its not just a city player saying this because most players talk there club up about winning stuff.

should be a very good season for about 6-7 clubs and i include everton in that aswell regardless of whats gone on so far.
 
isaw lescott at wolves loads of times and i always thought Curtis Davies was miles better at that level... but he hasn't exactly kicked on in the Prem whereas lescott has.. so that shows what i know
 
keenblue said:
isaw lescott at wolves loads of times and i always thought Curtis Davies was miles better at that level... but he hasn't exactly kicked on in the Prem whereas lescott has.. so that shows what i know
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a lot of it is down to luck aswell mate because curtis davis has had a lot of injuries which has kept his career back i feel and you only have to look at ledley king and woodgate because if they was fully fit you wouldnt see lescott,upson and players like wes brown near the england squad because woodgate and king are miles better than lescott and upson IMO so as i say its down to a bit of luck with injuries which the 3 players above have had more than there fair share with over the years and its a good job we have had terry and turdinand for most of the games we have played.
 
keenblue said:
isaw lescott at wolves loads of times and i always thought Curtis Davies was miles better at that level... but he hasn't exactly kicked on in the Prem whereas lescott has.. so that shows what i know
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curtis davies never played under moyes.(y)
 

bluemooner_mcfc said:
a lot of it is down to luck aswell mate because curtis davis has had a lot of injuries which has kept his career back i feel and you only have to look at ledley king and woodgate because if they was fully fit you wouldnt see lescott,upson and players like wes brown near the england squad because woodgate and king are miles better than lescott and upson IMO so as i say its down to a bit of luck with injuries which the 3 players above have had more than there fair share with over the years and its a good job we have had terry and turdinand for most of the games we have played.
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Nice one mate!

May the best team win!


*Will wait for you at the finish line! :lol:(y)
 
Neiler said:
To be honest mate i always had a soft spot for City untill recently, regardless of Lescott i really dont like Hughes and how he has gone about his buisness and the lack of dignity and respect he has conveyed - smacks of new money, and small time attitude. Its a pity because City really dont need it they are a terrific club, with a really loyal fanbase that persoanly have given me pleasure throughout the years, Bell, Harford, Kinkladze, Rosler, Goaeter etc. The clubs have shared so many names down through the years in Ball, Royal and Reid and ive always willed City on with those Everton legends at your club. That its sad how things have festered - maybe its jeolousy on our part, but then coming up against money is nothing new for us!

The next two games will be intresting mate - the defence hasnt really been tested yet although in the games i have seen Toure so far has been immense and we will see how they play together as a unit, i beleive these games will test Hughes as well we will see how his system using the overlapping fullbacks will hold up againt quality opposition.

Overall i think the squad lacks a bit of leadership and charicter if im honest City seem to always make a blistering start to the season display a lot of quality - be tipped for higher end honers and then fade going into the winter months and return in Mrach to make a push. The squad has undoubted quality - it had under Sven to. To be honest although players were signed with quality many had poor charicteristics or if you look at caused unrest and showed unloyalty at former clubs:

Bellemy
Santa Cruz
Adebeyor
Robhino
Lescott
Tevez
Barry

These are the type of players i can see holding their hands on their hips on a cold away night at Wigan/Fulham etc when things arent going their way, like i say i beleive alot will come down to charicter rather then quality.

For the life of me i dont know why Hughes went after these players compared to the like of Ashley Young, Lennon, Mouthino, Defour - players hungry with something to prove in world football - whom you could build a club around for years. Seems his signings are a little Fantesy footballesq - hasnt really shown his knowess of the world game or his ability to pick up a gem.

That said some clever signings were made- Given is absolutley top class, while Toure will be immense for the next season to, these will be good charicters to have around, if City are doing well Lescott will be top class to - like i said hes the type of player who needs an arm around him, maybe even Barry - but im not sure he has the overall game to push his team on when things are going against them in the way a Gerard is, Ireland isnt of that higher end quality either though a good player when the sun is shining. I beleive some of the signings were made as impact signings for now like Barry and Toure - there on big fat contracts though and not getting any younger. I cant see the players behind the undoubhted quality you have up front are going to influence a game and battle through the tough times - i dont think you have enough in midfeild (top quality that is) to stop teams cutting of your supply line.

I personaly can see the traditional top four looseing a lot of points this season games between City, Arsenal, Spurs, Villa, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd and Everton are vital - who can get the best results in these games (even draws) and who can pick up 6-4 points every fortnight will claim the top four. Like i say i think City will struggle with consistencey in the winter due to charicter - but defoinitley have the depth and quality not to. If fans are reasonable they will allow for the team to adjust, learn how to play with each other and grow to become familiar and consistent.

However i think Hughes has created a rod for his own back on this one he has become extreamly media friendly adding to the hype, he doesnt seem to realise that when they hit a bump in the road that the media will love nothing better to knock him of his pedestal and knife him on the way down. I think the pressure he may come under may undermine the confidence of the team and some of the less tenacious players may go missing. A reasonable fan IMO would be happy with a Europa Cup place but you get the sense that would be a failure certainly - the manager and players have done little to dispell this recently, i read an article about Robhino saying you could win the league - madness. I think City have created a sense of expectation that will be impossible to live up to which may be their undoing.

If you can hold your own against Villa, Spurs and Everton you have the platform for the CL IMO - though i would be surprised. I can see it being the most competitive it has been in years for the top four with the afore mentioned clubs all in with a shout. A reasonable fan would be happy with a Europa Cup place this season and good cup runs - however the way Hughes has used the media the first sign of a chink in the armour and the club are going to get pounded.

I beleive you will do well to finish ahead of Everton, Spurs and Villa. Honest opinion mate - could be wrong though.
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Told you!:D
 
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deathbyropeandglass said:
He also reckoned we'd be in with a shout of a top 4 place.

Probably still does :P
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I still reckon fully fit we should be competitive for the CL - i was thinking our injuries wouldnt be as bad as they have been. You need to be going into the New year with about 30-35 points and we simply havent accumalated enough.

With two games in hand we have a big oppurtunity to catch up on clubs just outside the top 6. We should be expecting a much improved second half to the season, we have finally hit on a system that works for us and suits our personal, some players are returning from injury, once players shake of the rust they will be fresher then other squads - will be a big fioght but we should expect to be fighting for a Europa place.
 
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