whiteshadow
Player Valuation: £20m
Finished 8th last year and 7th the year before. So I’m not sure how finishing 7th is much better than that,
He qualified for the champions League and took us in to Europe more times than any manager since.
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Finished 8th last year and 7th the year before. So I’m not sure how finishing 7th is much better than that,
So because I proved your previous post was a load of rubbish, you now turn it into a different argument.He qualified for the champions League and took us in to Europe more times than any manager since.
He played effective football. He may not have been as stylish as some, usually better funded, managers. But he cut his cloth to suit what we had and we punched above our weight. I mean, his Preston team played entertaining, attacking football, but it is harder to do that the higher up the leagues you go.
I was reading Bobby Robson the other day in some old coaching manual and he said that tactics are overrated, and that it comes down to having good players. And Steve Davis was talking the other day, and said that some players in snooker can get all the coaching they want, but they cannot match someone with natural ability.
Personally I think Moyes is far from as bad as some people make out tactically, he just played in a way to get the most out of the squad. By the end of his tenure we were actually a stylish team, and Martinez just continued in that vein, at least initially.
Technically dreadful football? Has everyone forgotten the Baines / Pienaar combination and the majesty of Arteta in his pomp? Was Martinez football technically better then? Two dire 11th place finishes and some utter [Poor language removed] home defeats were OK because he tried to get the players playing from the back? Do me a favour...
He had good games and bad games, but it's amazing how many memories have been wiped / altered!
This was a manager who had no fit strikers for a few months, had to play Fellaini and Cahill up front and still finished fifth!
Look. People may not want him back - I don't long term but have said I would take him til the end of the season at this current point in time.
But let's not cloud our history with the history of Utd, Sunderland, Sociedad and West Ham.
The man was chosen to replace Alex Ferguson at United for Christ's sake!
The only stats that matter
Moyes-0 trophies
Bobby-0 trophies
Moonhead-0 trophies
Yakubu got crocked but was unfairly treated. Beattie was a one season wonder and Johnson scored a large proportion of his goals from the penalty spot.This is getting silly now. I didn't mind Moyes, for all his faults the team had some fight and at times played some very decent todgeball. I didn't want him to be sacked or for him to leave but saying that I was not overly sad when he decided to leave. His time had come to a natural end.
The reasons for this are for as much as he stabilised us, he could never push us on to the next level. He ruined fairly good strikers, Yakubu, Beattie and Johnson. All put up reasonable numbers before Everton and even early days here, but by the end looked like carthorses. We were dumped out of cups by rubbish teams far too many times. The team bar from a little spell didn't believe they could win and that was passed on to them by the manager. As we were trying to win bringing knives to a gun fight, Middlesbrough, Birmingham, Swansea, Portsmouth and Wigan actually managed to win a trophy. He was a good manager and a perfect fit for us when he joined, but wistfully thinking back about those days is just looking at it with rose tinted glasses. The pain of what we went through has been dulled with the passage of time. We are in a much more competitive league now than back then, Moyes would be struggling to secure 7th/8th just like we are now.
He would sort it out...
Our defence is a shambles & the keeper needs a rollicking...
I want our passion back...
Moyes has that in abundance & loves this club...
Technically dreadful football? Has everyone forgotten the Baines / Pienaar combination and the majesty of Arteta in his pomp? Was Martinez football technically better then? Two dire 11th place finishes and some utter [Poor language removed] home defeats were OK because he tried to get the players playing from the back? Do me a favour...
He had good games and bad games, but it's amazing how many memories have been wiped / altered!
This was a manager who had no fit strikers for a few months, had to play Fellaini and Cahill up front and still finished fifth!
Look. People may not want him back - I don't long term but have said I would take him til the end of the season at this current point in time.
But let's not cloud our history with the history of Utd, Sunderland, Sociedad and West Ham.
The man was chosen to replace Alex Ferguson at United for Christ's sake!
have we won a single derby since Moyes left?
Let’s not try and make out he had a great record in Derby’s. In 11 years how many did he win 4?have we won a single derby since Moyes left?
And how did he fare at OT? The place where a failure at Cardiff, and a not unexpected title at the mighty Molde, has simply let the players play.