whiteshadow
Player Valuation: £20m
He qualified for the champions League and took us in to Europe more times than any manager since.
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He qualified for the champions League and took us in to Europe more times than any manager since.
thebluenosebolt
prefer being behind the times
I would have had him back in a heartbeat me.
Thing is, I think Moyes would struggle with this lot. He created his teams with spirit and fight first and foremost, the flair players came later and even they had to toe the line...I really think we as fans are as much to blame with our new identity, we all first presumed that with a bigger budget we would be better off. Every player now named in the transfer window is a flair player...have we not learned anything...getting expensive fappy players in, when money is the only draw doesnt work....this team needs a few work horses in dotted about with the Bernard's and the Lookman's before I would be comfortable having a workman like manager back in charge.
Cant think we would be worse off having Moyes back now though.
Thing is, I think Moyes would struggle with this lot. He created his teams with spirit and fight first and foremost, the flair players came later and even they had to toe the line...I really think we as fans are as much to blame with our new identity, we all first presumed that with a bigger budget we would be better off. Every player now named in the transfer window is a flair player...have we not learned anything...getting expensive fappy players in, when money is the only draw doesnt work....this team needs a few work horses in dotted about with the Bernard's and the Lookman's before I would be comfortable having a workman like manager back in charge.
Cant think we would be worse off having Moyes back now though.
Stephenlloyd
Player Valuation: £40m
So because I proved your previous post was a load of rubbish, you now turn it into a different argument.
Nice one.
Moyes won’t be coming back.
BernieH
Player Valuation: £35m
I don't want him back but by heck do I miss finishing between 5th - 7th every year nailed on. he was scared of the big boys but he made sure we won the games we should have in most cases, we got a few hammerings(Arsene you git) but not the consistent 3s and 4s we get nowadays.
The biggest thing though was he was given time, especially his second season when he finished 17th, he would have been sacked now. I guess we are all guilty of a lack of patience but this trophy drought is hardcore for us.
The biggest thing though was he was given time, especially his second season when he finished 17th, he would have been sacked now. I guess we are all guilty of a lack of patience but this trophy drought is hardcore for us.
He played mostly crushingly dull to technically dreadful football. It was effective yep up to a point, but it doesn't mean it was any less boring or less of a dinosaur tactic.
Most telling would be during those 2 or 3 seasons where he managed to get a balance that would actually play some ball and he would let them play a bit.....only for us to come up against a bigger team and revert to his norm.
Risk averse for almost his whole time with us.
I've had to watch years of that with Everton, and with Ireland under Trappatoni and it's a cowardly way to play the game for me. Trust your players more and let them get on the ball. I don't like managers who see everything in percentages. They reduce as much as possible the oppositions goal opportunities and use an attacking method that is concerned more with limiting the risk of counter attacks and conceding than actually creating and scoring......i.e hoofing and depending on set pieces.
I remember the good times for sure, but I remember more the irritation at listening to him moan about refs after another god awful display where the percentages were against us and he did nothing to take control of a game and try to affect a change in the result.
Eagle Eye
Player Valuation: £5m
Technically dreadful football? Has everyone forgotten the Baines / Pienaar combination and the majesty of Arteta in his pomp? Was Martinez football technically better then? Two dire 11th place finishes and some utter [Poor language removed] home defeats were OK because he tried to get the players playing from the back? Do me a favour...
He had good games and bad games, but it's amazing how many memories have been wiped / altered!
This was a manager who had no fit strikers for a few months, had to play Fellaini and Cahill up front and still finished fifth!
Look. People may not want him back - I don't long term but have said I would take him til the end of the season at this current point in time.
But let's not cloud our history with the history of Utd, Sunderland, Sociedad and West Ham.
The man was chosen to replace Alex Ferguson at United for Christ's sake!
He had good games and bad games, but it's amazing how many memories have been wiped / altered!
This was a manager who had no fit strikers for a few months, had to play Fellaini and Cahill up front and still finished fifth!
Look. People may not want him back - I don't long term but have said I would take him til the end of the season at this current point in time.
But let's not cloud our history with the history of Utd, Sunderland, Sociedad and West Ham.
The man was chosen to replace Alex Ferguson at United for Christ's sake!
I said mostly technically dreadful football. He did get us firing sometimes with a couple of particularly enjoyable seasons, but as I mentioned he reverted to type as soon as we had a big game. However IMO the majority of his however many games here were as I described.
Nobody has mentioned Martinez.
BlueIsTheColour
Player Valuation: £8m
have we won a single derby since Moyes left?
Baines' left foot
Player Valuation: £90m
Yakubu got crocked but was unfairly treated. Beattie was a one season wonder and Johnson scored a large proportion of his goals from the penalty spot.
We played some good football under Moyes that often goes overlooked by many. When Baines, Pienaar and Arteta were on song it was a joy to watch at times. I watched some highlights from I think 07/08 (season Yakubu was putting them away) and we were beating teams comfortably whilst playing well. I just think when it come to the pushing on and winning a massive game like a cup final, we would always choke and Moyes tactics would rightly come into question.
evertony
Player Valuation: £40m
Moyes looked down on us when he moved on to his ‘Big Chance’...and thereafter he was a complete and utter failure. Not even Celtic want him.
evertony
Player Valuation: £40m
And how did he fare at OT? The place where a failure at Cardiff, and a not unexpected title at the mighty Molde, has simply let the players play.
evertonarntwe
Player Valuation: £35m
didn't we only win 2 in 11 years with him in charge though?
both times it was when Liverpool were finishing outside the top 5, since moyes left Liverpool have been more or less title contenders so how is that even the same
eg, moyes 2 wins in 20 odd games against a mostly mediocre Liverpool team ( and many season we arguably had as good a team )
0 wins since he left against a VASTLY superior Liverpool team ( minus bobbys first season )
Stephenlloyd
Player Valuation: £40m
Let’s not try and make out he had a great record in Derby’s. In 11 years how many did he win 4?
Eagle Eye
Player Valuation: £5m
Was waiting for the first person to come up with this. He got 10 months and inherited one of the worst United Squads.
He still had over a 50% win percentage - fourth highest of any Utd manager in history. Amazing things facts.
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