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BlueLlama said:
Lads please don't derail this Bill appreciation thread with your mucky GILF fantasies. Ta x
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Last one I promise.

Jenny has lovely feet too ;)
 
zirc said:
I don't want to ruin the tenor of this thread but suffice to say I don't agree. In the past 18 years he's got pretty much everything wrong, the two exceptions being hiring Moyes and getting Moshiri in.

Kings Dock failure
Kirkby fiasco
Went from 20m in assets to 50m debt before the Mosh
Selling Rooney far too cheaply
Dodgy vibrac loans
Not a single penny invested
Failure to sell the club for 16 years while claiming it's been for sale the entire time
Letting Moyes string us along and getting denied compo
Longest trophyless period in history
Utter and complete inability to modernise the club - complete failure to market overseas for example, we had at one point the single best players from the US, South Africa, and Australia and did nothing to capitalise on it.
Horrible commercial deals like Kitbag, Sodexo, Chang etc,
Letting banks dictate to us when we had to sell players
Robert Elstone
Philip Green



People also are quick to say he steered us safely through troubled times, well he didn't, we were accumulating debt at a perilous rate; we effectively got saved by the sky/tv money. If that windfall hadn't come along it's rather likely we'd have gone down or into administration. Thr model he was running wasn't sustainable. At a certain point we didn't buy a first XI player for two years! How is that a steady hand? That's sleeping rough in the footballing world.



For me the best thing you can say about BK is that he was simply incompetent rather than malicious in his mismanagement of the club.
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I'll never forgive anyone who had anything to do with Kirkby and how they weren't "ran out of town" is beyond me.
What an absolute catastrophe that would of been,
It would of been the death of our club as we know it.
 
zirc said:
I don't want to ruin the tenor of this thread but suffice to say I don't agree. In the past 18 years he's got pretty much everything wrong, the two exceptions being hiring Moyes and getting Moshiri in.

Kings Dock failure
Kirkby fiasco
Went from 20m in assets to 50m debt before the Mosh
Selling Rooney far too cheaply
Dodgy vibrac loans
Not a single penny invested
Failure to sell the club for 16 years while claiming it's been for sale the entire time
Letting Moyes string us along and getting denied compo
Longest trophyless period in history
Utter and complete inability to modernise the club - complete failure to market overseas for example, we had at one point the single best players from the US, South Africa, and Australia and did nothing to capitalise on it.
Horrible commercial deals like Kitbag, Sodexo, Chang etc,
Letting banks dictate to us when we had to sell players
Robert Elstone
Philip Green



People also are quick to say he steered us safely through troubled times, well he didn't, we were accumulating debt at a perilous rate; we effectively got saved by the sky/tv money. If that windfall hadn't come along it's rather likely we'd have gone down or into administration. Thr model he was running wasn't sustainable. At a certain point we didn't buy a first XI player for two years! How is that a steady hand? That's sleeping rough in the footballing world.



For me the best thing you can say about BK is that he was simply incompetent rather than malicious in his mismanagement of the club.
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You can add the cancellations of the AGM's to the list. Also the Trevor Birch fiasco.

The love for Kenwright is because he's an Evertonian, and being a Theatre impresario he is very good in expressing his love for something when talking. If he was a foreign owner, and had asset stripped us and tried to move us out the the city people would want blood.
 
BurnhamBlue said:
You can add the cancellations of the AGM's to the list. Also the Trevor Birch fiasco.

The love for Kenwright is because he's an Evertonian, and being a Theatre impresario he is very good in expressing his love for something when talking. If he was a foreign owner, and had asset stripped us and tried to move us out the the city people would want blood.
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No, the "love" for Kenwright is people seeing it for what it is.

Under his watch we have constantly been at the right end of the table (maybe not high enough but that's history for you) whilst watching over clubs go to the wall.

He made mistakes, as most in his position will do and I get the Kirkby issue (though people are not forgiving him over something that actually didn't happen which is a bit odd...).

I have no doubt that every choice he made regardless of it was a bad choice or not was done with the best interests of the club in mind.

Sure he could have done better. He also could have done a LOT worse.
 
The biggest praise he never gets is holding off Gregg, people call bill a fraud.....that man and his wife....I shudder to think where we'd be now!
 
Bluewolf said:
Remember that time old blue bill refused to sell us to the man city owners. Then tried to sell us to some random dipstick who lived in a bedsit in manchester.

Good times, good times.

I know some people have a problem with him but to me he will always be super jesus. The chairman of my heart
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Nope cos it never happened in the way you describe it.
 
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