Davy Weir

[Alan Whittle]

Thelwell must stay unless there’s a clear upgrade.

You’re not setting a very high bar really are you?

 

[davek]

Absolutely not; the sort of lazy decision that almost ruined this club.

Thelwell must stay unless there’s a clear upgrade.

I took heart from the Telegraph report that under the headline had Weir down as only one of a few being considered for the role.

Let's hope that these Texans aren't having any of this return to 'jobs for the Moyes' Everton era decisions.

 

[johnjoeefc]

If it's true, it'll be because Moyes wants to control all transfers, so someone who wont challenge him like Weir will be a patsy for that purpose.

Remember he wanted Weir or Stubbs or Neville to take over at Everton when he left for United so he could come back here and take unproblematically any player he wanted from us.

Thelwell is doing a decent enough job under the circumstances. There's no gain to hiring an unproven DoF like Weir.

That would be a good thing to have a dof who answers to Moyes. The transfers we made under Moyes were better than the transfers we made with any DOF after him

 

[davek]

That would be a good thing to have a dof who answers to Moyes. The transfers we made under Moyes were better than the transfers we made with any DOF after him

Has Moyes still got that energy/network for it though?

 

[tsubaki]

Excellent points and I fully agree. I would like Thelwell to stay on.

It was reported that Moyes didn't get on with the West Ham Director of Football (banned him from the training ground) and you can imagine they disagreed on players leaving Moyes with an unbalanced squad.

Yes, what you assert above makes sense.

TBF how Thelwell dealt with Dyche suggests there wouldn’t be similar drama with Moyes; there weren’t any rows in public over the former manager not playing JOB or Beto (or Lindstrom in a correct position.

Now they are being played and we look vastly improved it’s also obvious who was right. I just hope Moyes recognizes what’s been done to stabilize and start rebuilding, from his public utterances so far it looks like he does.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Would be interesting to know exactly who does what there. They get their data from star lizard, but there must be more to it than that otherwise you’d think there’s no point to them having scouts, head of recruitment, DOF etc (although DOF does more than just transfers obviously)

Star lizard is just a general sports analytics company that covers a number of areas but within that is a separate company called Jamestown Analytics which is focused on football and cricket player data and also coaches. Its this which is the so called golden goose in terms of the recruitment. I don't even think Brighton have a head of recruitment anymore and they got rid of a fair amount of their scouts and are going down the AI route these days.

 

[johnjoeefc]

I took heart from the Telegraph report that under the headline had Weir down as only one of a few being considered for the role.

Let's hope that these Texans aren't having any of this return to 'jobs for the Moyes' Everton era decisions.

In your opinion Dave, would you say that Moyes now looks the right man for Everton and is the right man for next 4 or 5 seasons to stabilise and move the club back to where it should be?

 

[Swagger]

TBF how Thelwell dealt with Dyche suggests there wouldn’t be similar drama with Moyes; there weren’t any rows in public over the former manager not playing JOB or Beto (or Lindstrom in a correct position.

Now they are being played and we look vastly improved it’s also obvious who was right. I just hope Moyes recognizes what’s been done to stabilize and start rebuilding, from his public utterances so far it looks like he does.

I hope so.

I think Thelwell has done a fantastic job and deserves to stay on.

 

[tsubaki]

You’re not setting a very high bar really are you?

I disagree, I think it’s a very high bar. A DOF (or a manager) prepared to put the long term prospects of the club and keeps faith in his plan ahead of his own short term job security is very rare.

 

[Lanolin]

Absolutely not; the sort of lazy decision that almost ruined this club.

Thelwell must stay unless there’s a clear upgrade.

I just don't think we can say this with any conviction whatsoever because it's not clear to us what the remit of a Director of Football at this club (or Brighton for that matter) actually is. It's not really like a player or a manager, it's almost impossible for us to judge whether a DoF is doing a good job because we don't know what their objectives are, what the internal structure of the club is, or what restrictions they may be working under.

 

[tsubaki]

I just don't think we can say this with any conviction whatsoever because it's not clear to us what the remit of a Director of Football at this club (or Brighton for that matter) actually is. It's not really like a player or a manager, it's almost impossible for us to judge whether a DoF is doing a good job because we don't know what their objectives are, what the internal structure of the club is, or what restrictions they may be working under.

That’s true, but what we can say is that since he was brought in things have improved.

 

[Makis]

Last DoF hire from Bri

That would be a good thing to have a dof who answers to Moyes. The transfers we made under Moyes were better than the transfers we made with any DOF after him

You should check the list. You'd be surprised how many duds he signed.

Beattie, van der Meyde, Kroldrup, Heitinga (one good season), Jelavic (half a good season), Wright, Davies, Baardsen, M. Gueye, Anderson Silva, Vellios, Said, not to mention the freebies & loans that amounted to nothing. These were duds, there were also players who weren't good value for money, like Johnson and Bilyaletdinov. We even paid 5 million for Phil Neville back when that was a big fee.

And he was at the club for 11 years. About 20 transfer windows. So it wasn't exactly great window after great window. For instance in 2005/06 he signed van der Meyde, Kroldrup, Neville, Davies, Arteta (loan made permanent), Valente, Silva, Ruddy, Ferrari (on loan) and Stubbs on a free. 09/10 was a bit better but still a mixed bag: Bilyaletdinov, Heitinga, Distin, Senderos, Peterlin, Donovan. Next season looked like he had about the same amount of money as Thelwell has had and he signed M. Gueye, Vellios, Mucha and Beckford. Furthermore, next season saw him sign Jelavic, Gibson, Pienaar on loan from Spurs, Fransisco Junior, Straqualursi, Drenthe, Hahnemann and Donovan on loan again.

He had some great windows but also some.. not so great. If we could have a window similar to 07/08 it would be transformative. We signed Yakubu, Baines, Jagielka, Howard and Pienaar on loan (and some more forgettable names). Second best window was, IMO, 08/09 with Fellaini, Pienaar's loan made permanent, Coleman and Saha (as well as Jo, Castillo, Jacobsen and Nash).

 

[W84 Dum Freeze]

Thelwell's list of January incomings had to be torn up due to a change of manager and/or injuries.

This should never have to be the case for any competent DoF.

To take to a deadline day deal sheet to get one loan player in was just woeful.

A new CEO has to sort this out pronto.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

That would be a good thing to have a dof who answers to Moyes. The transfers we made under Moyes were better than the transfers we made with any DOF after him

No this would not be a good thing. It would be nice and cosy for a while but the manager and DOF need to be independent. Ultimately the DoF is there to steer the long term vision and part of that is to ensure continuity and stability beyond managerial changes.

Moyes has had a great start and long may it continue but if we start next season with 8 straight defeats there’s a point where he’ll have to be sacked. Where does it leave your football structure if they are all Moyes appointees? You simply can’t let all the power rest with the manager in an era where managers come and go with regularity. It’s been a great first month but let’s not hand the fella the keys to the kingdom.

 

[johnjoeefc]

Last DoF hire from Bri

You should check the list. You'd be surprised how many duds he signed.

Beattie, van der Meyde, Kroldrup, Heitinga (one good season), Jelavic (half a good season), Wright, Davies, Baardsen, M. Gueye, Anderson Silva, Vellios, Said, not to mention the freebies & loans that amounted to nothing. These were duds, there were also players who weren't good value for money, like Johnson and Bilyaletdinov. We even paid 5 million for Phil Neville back when that was a big fee.

And he was at the club for 11 years. About 20 transfer windows. So it wasn't exactly great window after great window. For instance in 2005/06 he signed van der Meyde, Kroldrup, Neville, Davies, Arteta (loan made permanent), Valente, Silva, Ruddy, Ferrari (on loan) and Stubbs on a free. 09/10 was a bit better but still a mixed bag: Bilyaletdinov, Heitinga, Distin, Senderos, Peterlin, Donovan. Next season looked like he had about the same amount of money as Thelwell has had and he signed M. Gueye, Vellios, Mucha and Beckford. Furthermore, next season saw him sign Jelavic, Gibson, Pienaar on loan from Spurs, Fransisco Junior, Straqualursi, Drenthe, Hahnemann and Donovan on loan again.

He had some great windows but also some.. not so great. If we could have a window similar to 07/08 it would be transformative. We signed Yakubu, Baines, Jagielka, Howard and Pienaar on loan (and some more forgettable names). Second best window was, IMO, 08/09 with Fellaini, Pienaar's loan made permanent, Coleman and Saha (as well as Jo, Castillo, Jacobsen and Nash).

Sorry mate you lost me when you said phil neville wasn't value for money for Everton and im pretty sure he was £2.5m.

I mean we could pick and choose all Alex Fergusons signings and find a load of duds too.
Blomqvist, kleberson, Djemba Djemba, Taibi, I'm sure there's far more. Difference being Moyes was on a shoestring budget and still found A LOT of gems for very cheap prices