2025/26 David Moyes

[Efcjake]

Probably a bit harsh on
Everyone, as you hear that teams are planning their recruitment over 12 months and the team had only been together a few months and the two we brought in from city and Utd, didn’t join the club till after the window closed

Thats on the CEO for me.

That should have been a massive priority to get that summer window right.

 

[Efcjake]

In some ways that’s good, we need to dig a little deeper in our scouting.

No mate it isn't better that good players won't want to sign for us if we're finishing lower down the league

Surely that's massively obvious

 

[Zatara]

Yes, obviously he has final say.

But if the options available to us are all not great then that's what he has to choose from. Obviously they aren't his first choice but then you have Muppets here acting like he was the driving force behind us wanting Barry or Dibling.

He wanted a winger and a striker with a younger profile and these lads were the best options the recruitment team put in front of him that would sign for us.

Some of you act like he turned down signing Woltemade for Barry as if it wasn't the other way around.

How do we get better players wanting to sign for us? By finishing higher up the league. If he has to play certain players over your favourites to do that then that's the job.

I definitely read in the past few weeks either the athletic or joyce or someone reputable saying Moyes pushed for Dibling.

As for Barry, Moyes track record on centre forwards is ropey at best.

He also wanted to pay 40mil for Ramsey and wanted soucek.

It was obvious Dibling and Barry weren’t first choice. The Portuguese player who
Ended up at Juve was first choice apparently, then it was kubo, forfana. So basically came
Down to hutcinson and Dibling and the club didn’t think Hutchinson was worth what Ipswich wanted.
Delap was first choice striker by the looks of it

Ramsey injuries
Tete injuries
McGinn last legs
Soucek last legs

Well, at least Moyes got Rohl and extended Colemans contract

 

[DualityNSNO]

Thats on the CEO for me.

That should have been a massive priority to get that summer window right.

It is, but it's also partially on Moyes too - if you want to have the final say in all transfers and some of them don't work out you shouldn't be blaming everyone else like. It's not just a sole person's fault we've had a bad transfer period - it was also predictably Moyes in so many ways that I can't say the fault isn't with him. We did business exactly as Moyes always has - left it late, left it for the last option, safest one if possible too. Credit for Grealish obviously, but "we missed out on XYZ" because Moyes only wanted a certain player is a classic Moyes thing that's been happening since he joined us all those years ago.

Now I'm not saying that as some weird davekian "FIRE HIM INTO THE SUN" rant or something - I support him and from our recent managers he's the one I probably trust the most to get results out of a limited squad, but at some point we have to realise he's also a part of that limited squad problem, really.

 

[Efcjake]

Sunderland was recently promoted brought in 14 players and was able to recruit savvily , is that a anomaly? absolutely but it shows that even teams that don't have European football can make clever investments in the squad. Obviously the season is still ongoing and there could be dips in Sunderland's form , at this point it's evident that they have recruited well.

Yes it is an anomaly.

Is that not massively obvious by virtue of the fact you can identify one team only that meets this criteria?

Its also by virtue of them having an established recruitment department. Ours just got stood up as @blueboy72 just pointed out.

Yet people are still using it as a stick for Moyes back as if he went out and personally picked out these specific players on his tod.

 

[Efcjake]

It is, but it's also partially on Moyes too - if you want to have the final say in all transfers and some of them don't work out you shouldn't be blaming everyone else like. It's not just a sole person's fault we've had a bad transfer period - it was also predictably Moyes in so many ways that I can't say the fault isn't with him. We did business exactly as Moyes always has - left it late, left it for the last option, safest one if possible too. Credit for Grealish obviously, but "we missed out on XYZ" because Moyes only wanted a certain player is a classic Moyes thing that's been happening since he joined us all those years ago.

Now I'm not saying that as some weird davekian "FIRE HIM INTO THE SUN" rant or something - I support him and from our recent managers he's the one I probably trust the most to get results out of a limited squad, but at some point we have to realise he's also a part of that limited squad problem, really.

If you only give him crap to choose from why is Moyes to blame for that?

He wasn't spoiled for choice with players desperate to sign for us last summer.

Why is Moyes getting the blame for deals being done late? That's solely down to the negotiation teams. He's not responsible for that beyond giving a thumbs up or not.

Are we genuinely acting like Moyes is negotiating deals and contracts and that's why things drag on?

It's obviously because we got turned down by the first five people we asked and ended up signing players late as we got down the list.

 

[TheBigIguana]

No mate it isn't better that good players won't want to sign for us if we're finishing lower down the league

Surely that's massively obvious

Good players don’t sign for us. I genuinely don’t know who the last top class player to sign for us in the middle of their prime was. Is it Kanchelskis? I might be missing someone, but generally all our best players have been signed younger or on the back end of their careers. Or we’ve just signed not that good players.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

Good players don’t sign for us. I genuinely don’t know who the last top class player to sign for us in the middle of their prime was. Is it Kanchelskis? I might be missing someone, but generally all our best players have been signed younger or on the back end of their careers. Or we’ve just signed not that good players.

Last great player to sign for us was Lukaku but he wasn't in his prime so maybe the last player in their prime to sign for us was Gary Speed or the rat Nick Barmby

 

[Curtis]

Yes it is an anomaly.

Is that not massively obvious by virtue of the fact you can identify one team only that meets this criteria?

Its also by virtue of them having an established recruitment department. Ours just got stood up as @blueboy72 just pointed out.

Yet people are still using it as a stick for Moyes back as if he went out and personally picked out these specific players on his tod.

I don't think recruitment has been as disastrous as others have suggested at least in regards to the players we've brought in. Moyes was supposedly very keen on bringing dibling in according to reports. I think Dibling will become a worthwhile signing eventually, it's just Moyes being thorough and ensuring that Dibling is ready I'm Moyes' mind, he has a history of being very particular about when to fully trust younger players, and he doesn't expect them to be a premade product. So he can be excited about player and at the same time not expect dibling to make an immediate impact.

 

[DualityNSNO]

If you only give him crap to choose from why is Moyes to blame for that?

He wasn't spoiled for choice with players desperate to sign for us last summer.

Why is Moyes getting the blame for deals being done late? That's solely down to the negotiation teams. He's not responsible for that beyond giving a thumbs up or not.

Are we genuinely acting like Moyes is negotiating deals and contracts and that's why things drag on?

It's obviously because we got turned down by the first five people we asked and ended up signing players late as we got down the list.

Doubt we gave him only crap to choose from, cmon I'm giving him crap for his entire career, every transfer window being more or less the same with very, very few exceptions and they're usually ones where loans are converted.

I don't know who is negotiating personally, and neither do any of us, but when the players come in and say "oh I spoke to the gaffer very early on" and the transfer gets done late - I dunno, feels like it's somewhere down the line that something gets messed up. What is it? I dunno, as much as I want to, but it's been that way everywhere he's been more or less.

It's not a 'blanket' criticism either - I think he 100% deserves the praise for Grealish, for getting the absolute most out of Ndiaye, etc. - many things to be happy about - but there are things we knew about Moyes in both man/game management and transfer management and requirements that are blatantly still happening.

You don't need to die on this hill (for me at least ) - I'm largely on the side of neutrality for this scenario mate. I'm very okay with his tenure currently and do believe he should see out his contract (in this moment in time, for the inevitable vaults ffs), the only thing that genuinely truly frustrates me is not playing Dibling or Aznou at all and instead going with McNeil, but that's a 'me' problem I guess. The RB calamity was unfortunate but should've been pinned early as it was always a glaring problem.

 

[Marcus Kendall]

I don't think recruitment has been as disastrous as others have suggested at least in regards to the players we've brought in. Moyes was supposedly very keen on bringing dibling in according to reports. I think Dibling will become a worthwhile signing eventually, it's just Moyes being thorough and ensuring that Dibling is ready I'm Moyes' mind, he has a history of being very particular about when to fully trust younger players, and he doesn't expect them to be a premade product. So he can be excited about player and at the same time not expect dibling to make an immediate impact.

I agree Curtis, judging Dibling, Barry and Aznou after 6 months is premature as they are players who are adapting to the surroundings and are at an age where patience is required. Sadly too many fans are in the habit of instant judgement though

 

[blueboy72]

If you only give him crap to choose from why is Moyes to blame for that?

He wasn't spoiled for choice with players desperate to sign for us last summer.

Why is Moyes getting the blame for deals being done late? That's solely down to the negotiation teams. He's not responsible for that beyond giving a thumbs up or not.

Are we genuinely acting like Moyes is negotiating deals and contracts and that's why things drag on?

It's obviously because we got turned down by the first five people we asked and ended up signing players late as we got down the list.

Well to be fair, Moyes had a history of being a ditherer and wanting to watch a player numerous times , before he would commit. Kinnear on toffee tv said Moyes is very difficult to buy for

 

[Efcjake]

Good players don’t sign for us. I genuinely don’t know who the last top class player to sign for us in the middle of their prime was. Is it Kanchelskis? I might be missing someone, but generally all our best players have been signed younger or on the back end of their careers. Or we’ve just signed not that good players.

Right pal, the idea is to keep finishing higher and higher up the league and then they will sign for us.

It's not a complicated concept is it?

 

[Efcjake]

Well to be fair, Moyes had a history of being a ditherer and wanting to watch a player numerous times , before he would commit. Kinnear on toffee tv said Moyes is very difficult to buy for

But I don't think that's at all what happened this summer.

It was widely published how many players didn't want to know from us.

 

[Efcjake]

Doubt we gave him only crap to choose from, cmon I'm giving him crap for his entire career, every transfer window being more or less the same with very, very few exceptions and they're usually ones where loans are converted.

I don't know who is negotiating personally, and neither do any of us, but when the players come in and say "oh I spoke to the gaffer very early on" and the transfer gets done late - I dunno, feels like it's somewhere down the line that something gets messed up. What is it? I dunno, as much as I want to, but it's been that way everywhere he's been more or less.

It's not a 'blanket' criticism either - I think he 100% deserves the praise for Grealish, for getting the absolute most out of Ndiaye, etc. - many things to be happy about - but there are things we knew about Moyes in both man/game management and transfer management and requirements that are blatantly still happening.

You don't need to die on this hill (for me at least ) - I'm largely on the side of neutrality for this scenario mate. I'm very okay with his tenure currently and do believe he should see out his contract (in this moment in time, for the inevitable vaults ffs), the only thing that genuinely truly frustrates me is not playing Dibling or Aznou at all and instead going with McNeil, but that's a 'me' problem I guess. The RB calamity was unfortunate but should've been pinned early as it was always a glaring problem.

I don't think our struggles in that window are down to Dithering Davey. I think the days of him being able to impact the window that much are long gone tbh.

I think it was just very simple that we were low down on the list for the players we wanted or not even on the map for some.