2025/26 David Moyes

[blue to the bone]

No, not yet—but the clock is ticking. Moyes was the right short-term fix in January: a proven survivor who knows the club inside out, delivering early stability and that Manager of the Month nod. Sacking him after less than 10 months would smack of panic, especially with a thin squad and off-field transitions (new ownership, stadium move). His win rate so far (around 40-45% based on the described runs) is respectable for a relegation battler, and he's kept Everton competitive against bigger sides.
That said, the recent wobble is concerning. If results don't improve by mid-November—say, another winless run or slipping into the bottom three—the Friedkins' patience could wear thin. Everton needs more than survival; they need foundations for top-half contention. Moyes excels at grit but has historically struggled with flair or youth integration. A mid-season exit risks chaos, but clinging on too long could stall progress.
Recommendation: Give him until the December 2025 international break (about 5-6 more games). Use it to assess if tactical tweaks (e.g., better set-piece defense, more attacking verve) yield points. If not, target a progressive replacement like Andoni Iraola (Bournemouth's success story) or a data-driven coach to align with the new era. Evertonians deserve stability, but not stagnation—Moyes' legacy buys time, not immunity.

Easy this

 

[blueboy72]

Obviously losing Gana and Ndiaye for AFCON will be unfortunate but I think it will have positive influence as it will force it him to address the issues with the starting lineup and I think gana plays a role in the midfield being unbalanced. Gana is not a defensive holding midfielder he's a terrier that is lacking on the ball. But I think a rohle and kdh or kdb/garner partnership could work.

I think a quality number 6 is nearly as important next season as full backs and a striker, I also think that would help with Harrison Armstrong and Rhol settling in to the team next season, could be a good midfield 3

 

[bitter-no-better]

I would love nothing more than Moyes win us a trophy or even get us back into Europe. Both of those things could have been possible if he took the caramac cup a bit more serious. To "rest" your best 2 players was negligent.

 

[Swartzy]

Too much of the fan base have been brought up or gotten used to binning the manager every time, they don’t get a flake in their cone.

It’s never been our way.

We’ve just come out of close to a decade, binning managers every year, wasting countless millions summer after summer, from manager to manager, that almost brought the club to oblivion and have become a joke club because of it. With recovery (and this is part of it) only begining.

How anyone can say doing that whole dance again is the answer - just defies basic functional reasoning (not you mate). It’s like the last 9 years haven’t happened.

We’ve lost two games and the old dysfunctional patterns reemerge.

No.

You can never bridge a gap ( Fanbase ) where everybody has to be right and bluntly refuse to accept they could be wrong.

We could win the league with Moyes, but he still wont be accepted cos that means someone has to accept they might be wrong..

If I have an opinion, I would rather be proved wrong for the benefit of the club.

We live in an era where nobody can be wrong, refuse to look at anything from a different picture, cos being right is the most important thing.

How do you bridge that gap..

 

[Igrok]

Game and clubs evolved…Moyes didn’t…

 

[WilliamBoo]

You can never bridge a gap ( Fanbase ) where everybody has to be right and bluntly refuse to accept they could be wrong.

We could win the league with Moyes, but he still wont be accepted cos that means someone has to accept they might be wrong..

If I have an opinion, I would rather be proved wrong for the benefit of the club.

We live in an era where nobody can be wrong, refuse to look at anything from a different picture, cos being right is the most important thing.

How do you bridge that gap..

We all have a Moyes inside us. Accepting mistakes is part of growing up. But did he?

 

[Neiler]

You can never bridge a gap ( Fanbase ) where everybody has to be right and bluntly refuse to accept they could be wrong.

We could win the league with Moyes, but he still wont be accepted cos that means someone has to accept they might be wrong..

If I have an opinion, I would rather be proved wrong for the benefit of the club.

We live in an era where nobody can be wrong, refuse to look at anything from a different picture, cos being right is the most important thing.

How do you bridge that gap..

To put it plainly mate, ignore the fans.

The last regime cared too much about the fan bases opinion, which is as you describe impossible to unify - therefore should be irrelevant, we saw the results.

The tail shouldn’t wag the dog.

 

[hallamblue]

You can never bridge a gap ( Fanbase ) where everybody has to be right and bluntly refuse to accept they could be wrong.

We could win the league with Moyes, but he still wont be accepted cos that means someone has to accept they might be wrong..

If I have an opinion, I would rather be proved wrong for the benefit of the club.

We live in an era where nobody can be wrong, refuse to look at anything from a different picture, cos being right is the most important thing.

How do you bridge that gap..

You hire a passionate manager who plays high energy winning football with a young energetic team with a good sprinkling of experience. You'll struggle to see anybody complain about that.

 

[davek]

It's conceivable we dont get more than 7-8 points from our next 8 games.

If that happens and we're 15th-16th then it's going to be a very difficult season from there with almost half the season gone.

He has to change things now to find a way to get goals. It calls for boldness now because the dye is cast for the two CFs. It means most of all a different formation.

To me, that means we start Beto and Barry on the bench to bring on later in the game if we need to revert back to a 4231, and we start with with a 433 of Grealish-Ndiaye-Dibling upfront (with Ndiaye shuttling back to make up a 4 in midfield when he can); in MF I'd find room for Iroegbunam on the left side of the 3 with Gueye and Rohl which gives it some bite (and who are mobile enough to join in with attacks); defence of Garner RB two from Tarkowski, Keane and O'Brien at CB, rotate Mykolenko and Aznou depending on the opposition and circumstances in-game.

No doubt, though, Moyes will still continue with 4231 and rotate Barry and Beto, start every game with JOB and Mykolenko as FBs, and find a place for KDH.

...which is why he has to go sooner or later, btw. He cant be flexible.

 

[COYBL25]

AI is surely writing some of these replies. Good grief.
Its like reading Ulysses!

Fun fact.

Did you know that up until his death, Leonard Cohen used the post defeat match day threads, as inspiration for some of his songs ?

 

[Swartzy]

We all have a Moyes inside us. Accepting mistakes is part of growing up. But did he?

Sorry you lost me m8, my brain has been fried going through the last few pages..

But did he ?

Was that in relation to him accepting mistakes or not ?

He might come across pretty stubborn, but i dont think his head is that far up his backside to refuse to accept mistakes he's made.

 

[Neiler]

It’s not 2 defeats, it’s a number
Of poor performances. And points dropped.

A few things you mention, West Ham finished 14tg the season they won that cup, which is not the most difficult to win, so maybe the rot had already set it.

Also you mention his cup finals at Everton “1” CL qualifications also “1”
In 22 domestic cup chances in 11 yrs 1 final and 2 semi finals.
Blackburn, Middlesbrough, Swansea, Birmingham, Portsmouth, Wigan all won trophies in that time. In 5 or 6 goes in Europe last 16 was his best return
In that time, Middlesbrough, Fulham,
Rangers and Celtic got to finals.
People go on about that night v Fiorentina. Like it was some special night, Moyes lost us that game in the fist leg they were bang average, who Rangers beat in the next round.

20yrs ago you basically had 4 teams spending money, the year we got 4th Middlesbrough and Bolton were in the mix With us. We finished 3 points ahead of Bolton and 6 points ahead of Middlesbrough. It was a completely different time.
Now teams coming up from the championship spend 150mil every team can buy a 40mil player.

The game imo has past Moyes by and he’s a had been and needs removing next summer.

Did I miss the bit were we are being beaten week in week out mate?

Your analysis of the rot creeping in while winning a European trophy is mad cap mate, sorry. Would love the rot to set in here similarly.

I think everyone knows that Moyes 1.0 had a far lower net spend then any of the teams you reference in the bursts they won trophies, then he saw most of them relegated, while we maintained status in at minimum top 8, building teams even though we had to sell players, Moyes was the bright young thing. What he did here was from the base of absolute rubbish starting off - he built a club and we have done nothing but nosedive since he’s left.

I think a curious debate on Moyes 1.0 is did we hit a ceiling with Moyes or did Moyes hit a ceiling with us at the time. Like all these Things there was context and limits at the time. His success here was sensational on the pitch given resources and starting points, while the money he made the club true identification was trually invaluable, he did a wonderful job.

I listed the young managers he has beaten since he’s been back - I’m not sure the game has moved on beyond him.

 

[blue to the bone]

Fun fact.

Did you know that up until his death, Leonard Cohen used the post defeat match day threads, as inspiration for some of his songs ?

Heard Jesus also used it to write the bible .

 

[Neiler]

Fun fact.

Did you know that up until his death, Leonard Cohen used the post defeat match day threads, as inspiration for some of his songs ?

Wait, Leonard Cohen died!

 

[Swartzy]

You hire a passionate manager who plays high energy winning football with a young energetic team with a good sprinkling of experience. You'll struggle to see anybody complain about that.

That takes time tho, and patience clearly isn't a virtue to a large portion of fans..

So what your saying is right, but the time getting their, will be to long to wait..

Iraola keeps getting brought up, he's doing a great job, at a very well run club.
But I dont think he won a game in his first 10 matches.
( he would have already been castrated on here )